| 00:35:15 | Hyppias: | how do I get a jpg or png from a geotiff ? |
| 00:39:45 | strk: | convert (1) |
| 00:44:52 | Hyppias: | strk: talking to me ? convert, yes... but with what ? |
| 00:45:13 | strk: | convert input.tiff output.png |
| 00:45:32 | Hyppias: | imagemagick you mean ? it does not do geotiff.. |
| 00:53:49 | strk: | try gdaltransform |
| 01:49:17 | tarpalantir: | Hi there, I was wondering; is there a geonetwork instance running on behalf of osgeo that I can use to replace the outdated mapserver gallery? |
| 03:32:45 | gzeiss: | register clarey geoff.zeiss@autodesk.com |
| 03:43:24 | gzeiss: | list |
| 03:57:16 | gzeiss_: | quit |
| 04:24:58 | | * mauricio_ is away: Gone away for now |
| 04:28:48 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [2587]: incorrect csv path <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2587> |
| 04:29:26 | CIA-13: | osgeo: jmckenna * r2587 /foss4g/benchmarking/scripts/mapserver/vector/oracle_ogr_edges_merge_dallas.jmx: incorrect csv path |
| 04:41:47 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [2588]: last night's results <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2588> |
| 04:42:13 | CIA-13: | osgeo: jmckenna * r2588 /foss4g/benchmarking/scripts/results/ (edges_merge.txt gnis09.txt areawater_merge.txt): last night's results |
| 04:47:48 | | * mauricio_ is back. |
| 04:49:23 | CIA-13: | osgeo: simonh * r2589 /foss4g/2009/website/foss4g09_staticmatic/ (53 files in 30 dirs): updated lots of things .... :) |
| 04:49:25 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [2589]: updated lots of things .... :) <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2589> |
| 04:54:27 | CIA-13: | osgeo: simonh * r2590 /foss4g/2009/website/foss4g09_staticmatic/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated lots of things .... :) |
| 04:54:56 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [2590]: updated lots of things .... :) <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2590> |
| 06:07:34 | msmith__: | danmo: are you starting the release meeting? |
| 06:07:44 | danmo: | yes, it's in #mapserver |
| 06:07:48 | danmo: | satrted already |
| 06:08:40 | msmith__: | ahh |
| 06:11:42 | TylerM: | Board meeting in 35 minutes |
| 06:13:46 | crschmidt: | TylerM: skype id is cr5chmidt |
| 06:18:58 | TylerM: | roger that crschmidt |
| 06:25:27 | FrankW: | TylerM: are we doing irc, followed by skype or what is the procedure this time? |
| 06:30:16 | TylerM: | FrankW: I believe so Frankw, I didn't change anything |
| 06:44:07 | TylerM: | Hi Geoff - welcome! :) |
| 06:45:47 | TylerM: | So far online I've heard from Chris (crschmidt) FrankW, Arnulf (aka seven), Geoff |
| 06:46:06 | TylerM: | who else is here for Board meeting... jmckenna, hobu, ajolma, ? |
| 06:46:19 | TylerM: | Haven't seen Markus or Ravi anywhere. |
| 06:46:23 | ajolma: | TylerM: yes I'm here for that purpose |
| 06:46:30 | | * crschmidt thinks jmckenna is probably doing mapserver meeting as well |
| 06:46:32 | TylerM: | great, hi Ari. |
| 06:46:35 | hobu: | here but intermittent. If you need me for forum or vote, actively ping me |
| 06:47:38 | gzeiss: | hello all |
| 06:48:03 | TylerM: | gzeiss: nice to see you .. are you available via skype as well? |
| 06:48:15 | gzeiss: | yes, at "geoffzeiss" |
| 06:48:15 | TylerM: | seven: are you as well? |
| 06:48:48 | TylerM: | okay, got it Geoff |
| 06:49:05 | | * seven is booting the other box... |
| 06:49:32 | TylerM: | still have 5 minutes.. but here is Agenda url: |
| 06:49:40 | TylerM: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2009-10-08 |
| 06:49:41 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2009-10-08 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 06:50:54 | jmckenna: | boy you board people even start 10 mins early :) |
| 06:51:13 | TylerM: | just me lining up everybody :) |
| 06:51:28 | TylerM: | i think you meant "us board people" ;-) |
| 06:51:28 | jmckenna: | k np. i'm here |
| 06:51:36 | jmckenna: | ha |
| 06:52:18 | crschmidt: | mmm, skype crash |
| 06:52:32 | crschmidt: | back on now |
| 06:53:27 | FrankW: | I was under the impression we were doing irc first, and then skype after to finalize motions, is that still the plan? |
| 06:53:35 | seven: | We really need to find a replacement for Skype asap. |
| 06:53:41 | seven: | FrankW: +1 |
| 06:53:50 | crschmidt: | seven: what do you need out of a replacement for Skype? |
| 06:53:52 | seven: | Maybe we do not even need Skype. |
| 06:54:09 | crschmidt: | (you/we; you only because you've done it more times) |
| 06:54:19 | FrankW: | I think we need voice to finalize a new executive. |
| 06:54:52 | TylerM: | Unless you do not accept Arnulf's resignation as president in the first place. :) |
| 06:55:12 | | * crschmidt supposes we should start with roll call on IRC? |
| 06:55:15 | TylerM: | I'm lining up skype contact just in case we need to do voice chat. |
| 06:55:33 | | * jmckenna takes headset off |
| 06:55:36 | seven: | TylerM: I did not resignate - ahm - resign officially. Just a test to board-priv so far. |
| 06:55:47 | seven: | Feedback was that I should stay put. |
| 06:55:53 | seven: | Lets see what the new directors think. |
| 06:55:55 | FrankW: | (I feel the same!) |
| 06:56:11 | TylerM: | I have ravi in skype.. says he'll join us here too |
| 06:56:30 | jmckenna: | did i miss this board-priv test email? |
| 06:56:55 | TylerM: | it was a while ago jmckenna |
| 06:57:12 | TylerM: | let me check the private board list subscription right now to make sure all new directors are on it. |
| 06:57:18 | TylerM: | it's rarely used. |
| 06:57:28 | jmckenna: | ok thanks |
| 06:57:28 | TylerM: | CGI251 - must be Ravi? |
| 06:57:33 | seven: | Last time was Feb 2007, then four weeks ago... |
| 06:58:32 | seven: | OK. |
| 06:58:36 | seven: | Shall we start? |
| 06:58:40 | seven: | Roll call: |
| 06:58:45 | seven: | Arnulf is here |
| 06:58:55 | | * FrankW is here. |
| 06:58:56 | TylerM: | =========== Board Meeting start |
| 06:58:58 | | * crschmidt is here. |
| 06:58:59 | ajolma: | Ari is here |
| 06:59:00 | jmckenna: | JeffM is here |
| 06:59:04 | gzeiss: | is here |
| 06:59:23 | seven: | Welcome All! Thanks for being here. |
| 06:59:26 | TylerM: | tyler here |
| 06:59:38 | seven: | Seems like I again notified very shortly... |
| 06:59:38 | TylerM: | (Note, I'm not a voting director though) |
| 06:59:47 | seven: | # Appoint meeting secretary |
| 06:59:53 | TylerM: | Ravi is trying to join, by the way. |
| 06:59:54 | seven: | TylerM: Would you be so kind? |
| 07:00:03 | TylerM: | Yup - no problem |
| 07:00:15 | seven: | I thought it might be a good idea to let the new directors: |
| 07:00:16 | seven: | # Short intro from the new board members (if you feel like it) |
| 07:00:24 | seven: | Anybody? |
| 07:00:42 | | * crschmidt is Christopher Schmidt. |
| 07:00:51 | crschmidt: | (Is that short enough? :)) |
| 07:00:57 | seven: | Hehe. Well done. |
| 07:01:11 | jmckenna: | Excited and happy to be involved in OSGeo discussions |
| 07:01:19 | gzeiss: | Geoff Zeiss is very excited to be here as well. |
| 07:02:15 | seven: | OK. That was jsut about the longest intro I've had for some time. Next topic: |
| 07:02:32 | | * seven at this point usually waits for 10 to 15 s and then pastes the next topic. |
| 07:02:47 | markusN: | hi - sorry for late |
| 07:03:03 | seven: | If anybody has anything to add to the last point in discussion, just go for it and I hold my breath. |
| 07:03:16 | seven: | # Selection of executive: President, Treasurer and Secretary. |
| 07:03:28 | seven: | Welcome ravivundavalli |
| 07:03:48 | FrankW: | We have had TylerM as our secretary for several years, and I feel this has worked well. I would like to seem him continue in that role. |
| 07:03:54 | | * markusN opens logs at http://logs.qgis.org/osgeo/%23osgeo.2009-10-08.log to read back |
| 07:03:54 | sigq: | Title: IRC Log - #OSGEO (at logs.qgis.org) |
| 07:04:04 | seven: | FrankW: How does "Selection of executive: President, Treasurer and Secretary" work? |
| 07:04:08 | FrankW: | Anyone have questions or concerns with that? If not, I'll make a motion. |
| 07:04:09 | ravivundavalli: | here is Ravi |
| 07:04:10 | TylerM: | It's a good job - I'd be glad to carry on. |
| 07:04:38 | FrankW: | seven: we need (I think by motion) to name the holders of these roles. |
| 07:04:52 | seven: | OK. |
| 07:05:04 | seven: | Anyone have questions or concerns with that? |
| 07:05:05 | crschmidt: | Who were the previous holders? Seven, ?, and Tyler? |
| 07:05:07 | jmckenna: | glad i'm not the only one wondering |
| 07:05:11 | FrankW: | We will need to defer the formal motion to a voice call but it seems there is no disagreement with TylerM as Secretary. |
| 07:05:17 | seven: | +1 |
| 07:05:22 | gzeiss: | +1 |
| 07:05:32 | ravivundavalli: | yup |
| 07:05:39 | ravivundavalli: | +1 |
| 07:05:41 | markusN: | +1 |
| 07:05:41 | FrankW: | TylerM has been Secretary for 2-3 years. I think we had someone else at the beginning - I'm not so sure. |
| 07:05:42 | jmckenna: | +1 |
| 07:05:46 | ajolma: | +1 |
| 07:05:51 | TylerM: | (Just for background we have to do voice confirmations for votes.) |
| 07:05:52 | seven: | FrankW is Treasurer |
| 07:05:54 | hobu: | +1 |
| 07:05:57 | crschmidt: | Okay. |
| 07:06:00 | FrankW: | But it works well because the Secretary is supposed tokeep corporate records which TylerM is well positioned to do. |
| 07:06:03 | gzeiss: | +1 |
| 07:06:08 | hobu: | +1 for FrankW continuing as Treasurer |
| 07:06:09 | ravivundavalli: | +1 |
| 07:06:21 | FrankW: | re: treasurer. I'm very disappointed with the job I have done and I'd like to open this role up to other candidates. |
| 07:06:26 | seven: | FrankW for Treasurer +1 |
| 07:06:27 | jmckenna: | is there a wiki page describing each role? |
| 07:06:34 | FrankW: | I will stay on if no one else is willing, but I find I'm crappy. |
| 07:06:58 | FrankW: | jmckenna: I do not thing so, no. To some extent they are defined by corporate law, and to some extent by osgeo traditions. |
| 07:07:22 | FrankW: | The role of Treasurer is more one of oversight and policy than day to day bookkeeping which is done by TylerM. |
| 07:07:24 | FrankW: | (as ED) |
| 07:07:33 | TylerM: | I wonder if maybe we should keep the mailing list open for discussion of the executive positions, in case there is more discussion? |
| 07:07:42 | TylerM: | Although I don't see much inpetus for change at the present :) |
| 07:07:47 | TylerM: | impetus |
| 07:08:01 | jmckenna: | i think you do a great job in overseeing osgeo policy frank |
| 07:08:03 | FrankW: | One task for the Treasurer is producing quarterly reports from quickbooks, getting them approved by the finance committee and then the board. |
| 07:08:27 | FrankW: | The treasurer also chairs the finance committee, and has signing authority on at least some of the accounts. |
| 07:08:34 | FrankW: | (I have failed to follow through on that aspect yet) |
| 07:09:01 | FrankW: | Ideally a new treasurer would have been part of the finance committee for a while, but I think few current directors are on the finance committee. |
| 07:09:04 | FrankW: | (none come to mind?) |
| 07:09:05 | seven: | The president basically has to look good. :-) |
| 07:09:34 | FrankW: | Does anyone have thoughts on Treasurer? Perhaps I could continue in the position till the end of year, and we might revisit it at that point? |
| 07:09:34 | seven: | A while back I wrote an email to the Board suggesting that it would be helpful for the president's job to run more than one year. |
| 07:09:35 | TylerM: | FrankW: right |
| 07:09:43 | seven: | Because it takes time to adjusst to the job. |
| 07:09:44 | jmckenna: | ha! honestly though i think a formal description for each role should exist |
| 07:10:06 | seven: | I should have added that to a Wiki page so that people can actually see what I have been doing. |
| 07:10:08 | FrankW: | jmckenna: that is not a bad idea. |
| 07:10:16 | seven: | I will do that sometime. |
| 07:10:31 | TylerM: | It might be useful for the board (at least new folks) to have a quick read through the governing documents at some point too. |
| 07:10:42 | TylerM: | http://osgeo.org/about has links to them. some things may be defined there. |
| 07:10:46 | ravivundavalli: | +1 |
| 07:10:47 | sigq: | Title: About the Open Source Geospatial Foundation | OSGeo.org (at osgeo.org) |
| 07:10:52 | seven: | We an defer this point on the agenda until we have come up with a good description. |
| 07:11:07 | gzeiss: | Good idea |
| 07:11:13 | FrankW: | that is ok with me. |
| 07:11:26 | jmckenna: | i had a hard time finding exactly what the Board does. so this is why i mention role descriptions |
| 07:11:53 | | * seven makes a note to put together a list of things for the president's job. |
| 07:12:05 | FrankW: | Did someone take an action item to draft executive role descriptions? Seven? |
| 07:12:25 | TylerM: | I wonder what we have in the deep archives from 2006 :) |
| 07:12:53 | TylerM: | seven: we can work together on it |
| 07:12:58 | seven: | Good. |
| 07:13:10 | jmckenna: | thanks |
| 07:13:12 | TylerM: | * '''TODO: Arnulf and Tyler to draft description of executive positions''' |
| 07:13:15 | FrankW: | I would also like a crack at input on the roles once a first draft is up. |
| 07:13:27 | FrankW: | cool, thanks. |
| 07:13:37 | seven: | We will do this in the Wiki. Once the page is up a link goes round. |
| 07:14:03 | markusN: | excellent |
| 07:14:34 | seven: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/President%27s_role |
| 07:14:35 | sigq: | Title: President's role - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 07:14:45 | seven: | to be cont. |
| 07:15:02 | seven: | OK. Done. Next item? |
| 07:15:07 | crschmidt: | Okay, next topic? |
| 07:15:13 | seven: | # FOSS4G budget decision whether to fund lunch |
| 07:15:29 | seven: | There is an Email from Cameron at http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2009-October/003066.html |
| 07:15:30 | sigq: | Title: [Board] [Fwd: FOSS4G Budget Update - 7th October 2009] (at lists.osgeo.org) |
| 07:15:39 | seven: | We need to decide what to do. |
| 07:15:50 | TylerM: | I should point out a thing or two there as well... |
| 07:15:51 | seven: | He needs an answer by Wednesday next week. |
| 07:15:54 | markusN: | note for seven: cosmetics - perhaps without %27s funny char (yes, ')? |
| 07:16:01 | TylerM: | Regarding cash flow... |
| 07:16:11 | seven: | So we do not need to decide today. But I suggest we do anyway. |
| 07:16:30 | TylerM: | We have already advanced FOSS4G 2009 event "seed funding" of USD$43k (AUD$60k) |
| 07:16:57 | TylerM: | so you might see the mentioned in some of the event budget statements as 'paying back' the funding.. |
| 07:17:09 | seven: | markusN: Done |
| 07:17:23 | TylerM: | If you say to add an additional $20 to cover something, it hopefully does not need for us to send them more money.. |
| 07:17:28 | TylerM: | just means we won't get as much back. |
| 07:17:43 | gzeiss: | Is FOSS4G intended to make money or break even ? |
| 07:17:57 | markusN: | at least break even |
| 07:18:04 | jmckenna: | yes it is close |
| 07:18:12 | crschmidt: | I believe the plan is that if they don't do lunch, currently, they break even, is that correct? |
| 07:18:13 | jmckenna: | i have numbers...not public however? |
| 07:18:16 | FrankW: | gzeiss: FOSS4G is intended to earn roughly 30K per year, but this year we would be pleased to break even. |
| 07:18:16 | TylerM: | Our back account stands at about $130k - which will keep us for the year, roughly speaking, with or without the event making money. |
| 07:18:39 | TylerM: | jmckenna: cameron gave some numbers on the board list i believe |
| 07:18:53 | seven: | Good. For me this is enough, I would like to have people get food at lunch. |
| 07:19:03 | crschmidt: | http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2009-October/003066.html |
| 07:19:04 | sigq: | Title: [Board] [Fwd: FOSS4G Budget Update - 7th October 2009] (at lists.osgeo.org) |
| 07:19:09 | TylerM: | thanks |
| 07:19:09 | FrankW: | jmckenna: I think we just have to avoid disclosing how much we pay the event organizer and perhaps for the venue. |
| 07:19:38 | crschmidt: | Can someone help me understand something from that email. Cameron mentions that "With another 50-60 registrations we will break even." |
| 07:19:39 | jmckenna: | yes i am referring to an email on foss4g-private with budget. ok |
| 07:19:49 | crschmidt: | is that "break even without lunch", or "break even with the other 20k from lunch"? |
| 07:20:22 | seven: | crschmidt: I cannot infer that from that mail. We will have to ask. |
| 07:20:37 | TylerM: | pramsey: lurking perhaps? |
| 07:20:40 | crschmidt: | I was hoping someone on the foss4g list might be able to answer, but perhaps not. |
| 07:21:06 | jmckenna: | ...reading more..but might be good to ask |
| 07:21:19 | TylerM: | right |
| 07:21:59 | TylerM: | This just reminds me of another Board protocol... You are also able to vote on items through email, but it will require 100% of directors to respond to pass. |
| 07:22:10 | FrankW: | if 50 more registrants would be enough to pay for lunches and balance the budget then I'd be inlined go risk the lunches. |
| 07:22:25 | crschmidt: | I agree. |
| 07:22:30 | TylerM: | (So any delayed voting from today can then be done via email or else during a voice call.) |
| 07:22:45 | crschmidt: | However, if 50 more are required to break even, with another (20-30?) required to break even for lunch, I'm not sure I'd feel the same. |
| 07:22:49 | markusN: | I also agree |
| 07:23:07 | | * hobu steps out figuring there's a quorum already |
| 07:23:10 | FrankW: | crschmidt: right, same here. And I'm assuming breakeven includes paying down the OSGeo seed money. |
| 07:23:17 | seven: | OK. Who can ask Cameron to clarify this and write to the board? |
| 07:23:18 | hobu: | sorry, back in 30 |
| 07:23:23 | TylerM: | see you later howard |
| 07:23:46 | FrankW: | perhaps it would be helpful if we had a decision pending some assumptions being correct? |
| 07:24:12 | crschmidt: | So I think that in general, there is an opinion that we are likely to see another 50-60 registrations, which we believe would cause the conference as it is to 'break even' (repaying the seed money), with the additional lunch cost, then it is worth approving the lunch cost. |
| 07:24:14 | jmckenna: | from what i read we need 50 more registrants to cover lunch. period. |
| 07:24:18 | crschmidt: | Okay |
| 07:24:24 | | * FrankW thinks jmckenna as conf chair would make a good board/foss4g liason. |
| 07:24:36 | jmckenna: | true. for sure. |
| 07:24:42 | seven: | FrankW: +1 |
| 07:24:51 | ravivundavalli: | +1 |
| 07:25:10 | crschmidt: | So, jmckenna to get clarification that 50 additional registrations covers lunch, sent to board list |
| 07:25:25 | crschmidt: | and a vote after that to approve the additional funding, over email, with 100% participation |
| 07:25:35 | jmckenna: | ok |
| 07:25:35 | seven: | Good. |
| 07:25:44 | seven: | Next topic? |
| 07:25:51 | FrankW: | or perhaps via voice call - very hard to get 100% response by email in my opinion. |
| 07:26:33 | seven: | Lets try mail and if it breaks we need to schedule a phone call for next week Tuesday. |
| 07:26:53 | seven: | jmckenna: You coordinate. |
| 07:26:56 | crschmidt: | Okay. Next topic. |
| 07:26:58 | seven: | Next topic? |
| 07:27:12 | seven: | # Follow up on Broadband Mapping Discussion (see discussion on IRC logs and Letter) |
| 07:27:19 | TylerM: | For the newcomers... What we sometimes do is have all this (text) discussion, then save up items to be voted on until the end.. do a quick voice call for votes and then call it a day. |
| 07:27:35 | TylerM: | seven: who is closest to this now? |
| 07:27:40 | seven: | It left my radar which is why I brought it up again. |
| 07:27:59 | TylerM: | I haven't seen anything further on it, so I guess it's in Andrew Turners hands well enough now? |
| 07:28:03 | seven: | Howard was to sign it as he was the only US citizen on the board. |
| 07:28:17 | seven: | I do not know whether this happened. |
| 07:28:28 | seven: | As time was running out I wanted to check back. |
| 07:28:28 | TylerM: | ajturner: happen to know more about the ARRA work and where it ended up? |
| 07:28:50 | TylerM: | maybe give him a second to see.. |
| 07:29:20 | crschmidt: | Okay. In the meantime, waiting on andrew or howard to pipe up, perhaps we can move on. |
| 07:29:35 | seven: | # F2F Meeting preparation for Sydney |
| 07:29:56 | TylerM: | I can speak to that |
| 07:30:05 | TylerM: | Looks like only 3 directors, plus me will be there. |
| 07:30:12 | TylerM: | (plus 2 former directors) |
| 07:30:40 | TylerM: | I think we can fit in a mid-week informal chat, but I think it will be more tricky trying to coordinate with the larger board due to timezones etc |
| 07:30:52 | pramsey: | it looks like i'm going to be doing kindergarden drop-off when you get to my item, but perhaps jmckenna will speak to it |
| 07:31:07 | | * seven is away for 5 min, sorry, pls. go on. |
| 07:31:26 | TylerM: | Arnulf thought that would be our best approach.. let's meet up when there and then pick a time. |
| 07:31:40 | jmckenna: | pramsey: good pont. willdo! |
| 07:31:44 | TylerM: | Any other directors feeling strongly that we should try to get the larger group together at that time? |
| 07:32:31 | TylerM: | I'll take that as a no :) |
| 07:32:38 | jmckenna: | phone :) |
| 07:33:04 | TylerM: | For the newcomers.. another piece of background.. |
| 07:33:37 | TylerM: | most of us our high speed english typers... and we try to keep things slow enough.. but if you need a minute to gather your thoughts please yell 'hold on'.. |
| 07:33:52 | ajolma: | perhaps it's enough if you have a talk and then post conclusions on the email list? |
| 07:33:54 | TylerM: | sometimes we are too speedy |
| 07:34:10 | ravivundavalli: | so far so good.. |
| 07:34:37 | TylerM: | ajolma: I will try to remember to add a summary of conclusions to the list, after doing up the minutes. (reminders are always welcome) |
| 07:34:42 | TylerM: | okay ravivundavalli - thanks |
| 07:34:44 | ajolma: | ...which could be further discussed on the list of course |
| 07:35:11 | ajolma: | TylerM: I mean f2f in Sydney |
| 07:35:25 | TylerM: | ajolma: ah okay.. will do. |
| 07:35:34 | jmckenna: | ok back |
| 07:35:37 | FrankW: | I'm with ajolma on this. |
| 07:36:01 | TylerM: | so jmckenna, gzeiss and arnulf and I will pick a time and meet when convenient in Sydney. |
| 07:36:08 | gzeiss: | OK |
| 07:36:10 | TylerM: | sorry to miss all the others!! |
| 07:36:11 | | * seven is back |
| 07:36:34 | jmckenna: | sounds good |
| 07:36:44 | TylerM: | seven: I can do my update now |
| 07:36:54 | seven: | Cool. Go for it. |
| 07:37:07 | TylerM: | I usually try to do up a note prior to the meeting, but for some reason I didn't have this meeting on my radar until yesterday.. sorry about that. |
| 07:37:25 | TylerM: | I have a few things I can update you on though... |
| 07:37:47 | TylerM: | * Journal - we are restarting a new year of the journal. you'll hear more about it when we make a call for papers shortly. |
| 07:38:00 | TylerM: | landon blake has stepped up to help me out significantly, so that's a lifesaver. |
| 07:38:16 | TylerM: | as well, we have over a dozen reviewers and a handful of editors helping now. |
| 07:38:30 | TylerM: | we hope to do peer review for the next issue - that's a big deal for many people. |
| 07:39:02 | TylerM: | So if you have ideas for articles, case studies or even software tutorials.. keep us in mind. http://osgeo.org/ojs - submit there. |
| 07:39:07 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo Journal (at osgeo.org) |
| 07:39:53 | TylerM: | * Finance - boring stuff.. we still have sponsorship goals to meet though I don't have the budget handy for last year. |
| 07:40:13 | TylerM: | We have a new $10k sponsor (name still private) that is in the works. |
| 07:40:41 | TylerM: | hopefully by next week. but a few more others are need to meet the budget (maybe someone call pull up that link for me). |
| 07:41:01 | crschmidt: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2009 ? |
| 07:41:02 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo Budget 2009 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 07:41:02 | TylerM: | On a related note I've got a quote for some insurance for us |
| 07:41:24 | TylerM: | err for you, really, to cover such things as directors and officers and more. |
| 07:41:37 | TylerM: | More on this when they get back to my final questions. |
| 07:41:41 | TylerM: | thanks crschmidt |
| 07:41:50 | TylerM: | if you look at that budget page... |
| 07:41:57 | jmckenna: | looking |
| 07:42:56 | TylerM: | a few expenses are coming in under budget.. but the potential over budget by foss4g could eat all that up quite easily. |
| 07:43:26 | jmckenna: | yes could be tight |
| 07:43:30 | TylerM: | for example marketing is maybe half and accounting is none |
| 07:43:40 | crschmidt: | It's unclear to me if the 'revenues' are 'expected' or 'current' |
| 07:43:52 | TylerM: | crschmidt: it's projected budget |
| 07:43:56 | TylerM: | definitely NOT current |
| 07:44:16 | TylerM: | and on revenue side.. of course foss4g looks like it will be breakeven at best. |
| 07:44:29 | FrankW: | crschmidt: in fact, the revenues were predicated on substantial progress with regard to sponsorship that has not been realized. |
| 07:44:29 | jmckenna: | can we see actual numbers from previous years? |
| 07:44:46 | TylerM: | we are also short 1 sustaining sponsorship and a few more associates. |
| 07:44:46 | FrankW: | the 2008 financials were in the annual report. |
| 07:44:53 | jmckenna: | ok |
| 07:44:54 | crschmidt: | Okay, so: "The budget presumes gaining one new sustaining sponsor (50K), one new sustaining sponsor (10K) and four new associate sponsor (12K)." |
| 07:44:59 | seven: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2008 |
| 07:45:00 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo Budget 2008 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 07:45:12 | | * seven is not sure whether the Wiki page is up to date though. |
| 07:45:23 | FrankW: | some past financial info is also available at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Finance_Committee |
| 07:45:24 | sigq: | Title: Finance Committee - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 07:45:34 | crschmidt: | How many of those have we picked up? Any? It sounds like we might have the one sustaining sponsor in the works... |
| 07:45:40 | TylerM: | seven: I don't think I've updated that budget 2008 page ever.. so likely it's the original. |
| 07:45:51 | jmckenna: | i assumed so |
| 07:45:51 | TylerM: | crschmidt: we have, yes.. |
| 07:45:52 | FrankW: | I have been negligent producing quarterly reports for this year. |
| 07:45:53 | TylerM: | that's all |
| 07:46:01 | seven: | TylerM: Maybe you can add a note on top of that page to that effect. |
| 07:46:09 | gzeiss: | What is the $500K for FOSS4G in 2008 ? |
| 07:46:37 | TylerM: | gzeiss: for FOSS4G we keep the estimate total cost and revenue in there, just to keep it in ind |
| 07:46:38 | TylerM: | mind |
| 07:46:47 | crschmidt: | presumably the 500k matches the 500k in revenue |
| 07:46:53 | crschmidt: | so foss4g cost 500k and made 500k (breaking even) |
| 07:47:00 | TylerM: | that's correct |
| 07:47:00 | jmckenna: | gotchya |
| 07:47:03 | crschmidt: | It looks like in the 2009 budget, that was just left as a +12 |
| 07:47:04 | gzeiss: | But the equiv is not in 2009 ? |
| 07:47:08 | crschmidt: | rather than a +500 -500 |
| 07:47:27 | crschmidt: | And we think that the +12 could well be a -12 unless we get 50-60 more registrations. Correct? |
| 07:47:29 | TylerM: | true enough gzeiss - only the net revenue is |
| 07:47:58 | TylerM: | not sure why we changed the approach in this budget. |
| 07:48:05 | jmckenna: | crschmidt: correct. we must hope for a spike in last minute registrations |
| 07:48:16 | gzeiss: | Did we break even on FOSS4G in 2008 ? |
| 07:48:24 | TylerM: | pretty much |
| 07:48:33 | TylerM: | yes, a small profit.. so small I haven't seen it yet ;-) |
| 07:48:36 | gzeiss: | 2007 made $ ? |
| 07:48:45 | | * crschmidt believes it did. |
| 07:48:45 | TylerM: | 2007 made $100k :) |
| 07:48:54 | FrankW: | TylerM: I changed the approach in this budget to avoid obsuring things with big numbers. |
| 07:49:10 | gzeiss: | Makes up for a couple sustaining sponsors :-) |
| 07:49:19 | TylerM: | FrankW: make sense. for reporting we'll have to remember to add it in. |
| 07:49:20 | crschmidt: | So, currently the 2009 budget may experience a shortfall of up to $50k-100k unless sponsorship shows up in a big way. Is that correct? |
| 07:49:41 | FrankW: | crschmidt: yes, I need to produce an interim report. |
| 07:49:47 | | * crschmidt nods. |
| 07:49:47 | seven: | Yes. |
| 07:49:48 | seven: | I have suggested to formalize our sponsorship activities. Any opinions on this? |
| 07:49:55 | TylerM: | gzeiss: for background too.. Autodesk has been reducing 50% per year, according to a plan discussed with Ken Tamura.. |
| 07:49:58 | FrankW: | What does formalize mean? |
| 07:49:59 | | * seven will repost her ideas to the board list. |
| 07:49:59 | crschmidt: | I'm just trying to understand our current position. Sorry if I was unclear. |
| 07:50:16 | crschmidt: | (Or rather, sorry that I haven't been following closely before this.) |
| 07:50:16 | seven: | Organize who contacts which potential sponsor. |
| 07:50:19 | FrankW: | crschmidt: and yes, your estimate is roughly right. |
| 07:50:20 | ajolma: | 2008 finances are in http://www.osgeo.org/files/journal/v5/en-us/final_pdfs/OSGeoJournal_vol5.pdf net income was ~40 k$ |
| 07:50:24 | TylerM: | so conceivably autodesk will be down to the Principal sponsor level this year. |
| 07:50:58 | TylerM: | but I will have to confirm that. |
| 07:51:03 | jmckenna: | ajolma: thanks |
| 07:51:17 | gzeiss: | Seems like we need two alternatives for major revenue - sponsors or FOSS4G |
| 07:51:53 | TylerM: | it does tend to come down to the roll of FOSS4G in some ways. |
| 07:51:54 | jmckenna: | or more 'events' (can of worms) |
| 07:52:17 | seven: | I think we have a much higher potential with sponsors than we curently manage to tap. |
| 07:52:18 | TylerM: | I don't think any wants to be using sponsorship funds to subsidised a loss through FOSS4g :) |
| 07:52:25 | seven: | But that needs some organizaitonon our side. |
| 07:52:41 | seven: | As we currently have no FunCom (seems it was not enough fun) |
| 07:52:41 | TylerM: | I only have a couple more points on my update.. then maybe we can come back to foss4g discussions. |
| 07:52:49 | seven: | the board will have to step in. |
| 07:52:51 | gzeiss: | ok |
| 07:52:55 | | * crschmidt nods at TylerM |
| 07:52:56 | | * seven shuts up. |
| 07:53:15 | TylerM: | * Education - I see this as part of the bigger picture for 2010... |
| 07:53:29 | TylerM: | lots more people are asking for it and I think with a bit more help from me.. |
| 07:53:41 | TylerM: | we can connect a few more dots this year. |
| 07:53:46 | gzeiss: | is educ revenue generating ? |
| 07:53:54 | TylerM: | nope |
| 07:54:06 | TylerM: | our focus to date has been on gathering existing material |
| 07:54:16 | TylerM: | and cataloguing it.. |
| 07:54:21 | markusN: | more 'events' I had also proposed after the cape town conf |
| 07:54:27 | TylerM: | rather than creating anything new since who has time? :) |
| 07:54:27 | ajolma: | gzeiss: training could possibly be |
| 07:54:29 | markusN: | 2 per year for example |
| 07:54:40 | gzeiss: | ajolma: agree |
| 07:55:07 | TylerM: | A few of us are proposing to also help much up training material (or create some) that aligns with a recognised GIS curriculum... |
| 07:55:28 | TylerM: | rather than merely focusing on "open source" training material.. instead come at it from a curriculum side. |
| 07:55:47 | TylerM: | Anyway, some of that is just semantics, but it can be an effective productive witha bit of staff time dedicated to it. |
| 07:56:04 | TylerM: | * Marketing - (last point) ... |
| 07:56:19 | TylerM: | I'm just wrappping up a contract that delivers various marketing material.. |
| 07:56:29 | TylerM: | largely stuff for handout, brochure, event banners, etc. |
| 07:56:33 | FrankW: | I think seeing training and education as a revenue source is at best long term. |
| 07:56:49 | TylerM: | but also software stuff for presentations, letter and general branding. |
| 07:56:59 | TylerM: | It should wrap up this week. |
| 07:57:14 | TylerM: | That was a huge hole in previous years that many, especially local chapters and projects, were begging for. |
| 07:57:45 | TylerM: | Beyond that, our marketing committee will continue to choose a few events per year to fund a booth at. |
| 07:58:04 | ravivundavalli: | seeing training and education as a revenue source.. is our dream in India |
| 07:58:05 | TylerM: | So if you know of good ones where we have some people on the ground ready to deliver it.. let us/me know. |
| 07:58:09 | | * seven does not see training and edu as a revenue income for OSGeo. It will conflict with our member's business models. |
| 07:58:17 | jmckenna: | it seems like we could fill a day of meetings on foss4g/events, training, eductions ideas/plans...i'm finding it hard to sum up each in short IRC sentences in this meeting |
| 07:58:28 | TylerM: | sorry, when I say education/training I'm thinking purely in academia |
| 07:58:41 | seven: | OK. |
| 07:58:43 | seven: | Time is up. |
| 07:58:55 | TylerM: | seven: I can see some ways of doing it.. e.g. FOSS4G workshops don't conflict with the business do they? ;-) |
| 07:58:57 | seven: | This was a crowded meeting. |
| 07:59:11 | jmckenna: | bites lip |
| 07:59:15 | TylerM: | Anything else anyone wants to hear about? |
| 07:59:19 | FrankW: | Should we make 2009 budget review, and 2010 budget prelminary planning a focus for our next meeting? |
| 07:59:20 | TylerM: | .. from me, I mean. |
| 07:59:22 | gzeiss: | Or workshops ar Where 2.0 ? |
| 07:59:26 | seven: | Seem like we hav alot of new energy. I am very thankful for this! |
| 07:59:33 | crschmidt: | FrankW: Yes. |
| 07:59:43 | crschmidt: | FOSS4G will have come and gone at that point, right? |
| 07:59:43 | FrankW: | Or perhaps a focus on fundraising and do budgetting a bit later? |
| 07:59:59 | gzeiss: | Yes |
| 08:00:02 | TylerM: | talking about making money from workshops.. brings up the profit sharing model again.. |
| 08:00:06 | seven: | FrankW: +1 |
| 08:00:06 | jmckenna: | pramsey and i did go down the workshop route with osgeo...man interesting a year later here we are! |
| 08:00:15 | TylerM: | it was floated once or twice before, but we didn't get anywhere. |
| 08:00:21 | TylerM: | :) |
| 08:00:27 | jmckenna: | anyway... |
| 08:00:29 | jmckenna: | ha |
| 08:00:32 | crschmidt: | FrankW: To be honest, I think that having a solid idea of budget would help focus fundraising efforts, though obviously the two are linked |
| 08:00:42 | seven: | I really really think we should make an f2f meeting with all directors possible. |
| 08:00:46 | TylerM: | private firms could do training with endorsement from OSGeo, in exchange for revenue sharing. |
| 08:00:49 | FrankW: | In any event, I will commit to presenting our current status at the next meeting. |
| 08:01:07 | jmckenna: | yes these are huge huge topics to discuss over irc. f2f needed |
| 08:01:12 | TylerM: | okay, I'm done on my update. :) |
| 08:01:18 | FrankW: | seven: then we could budget to support it in 2010. |
| 08:01:20 | seven: | Thanks Tyler! |
| 08:01:28 | ravivundavalli: | +1 to Tyler |
| 08:01:29 | seven: | Yes. |
| 08:01:33 | seven: | There is one more point on the agenda. |
| 08:01:41 | seven: | # cont. The Future of OSGeo discussion |
| 08:01:54 | seven: | We will*not* start a discussion right now here... |
| 08:01:56 | TylerM: | by the way, a few of us are almost always online in skype or irc.. feel free to ping me any time you want to. |
| 08:01:56 | seven: | :-) |
| 08:02:21 | jmckenna: | you missed pramsey's election procedure point? |
| 08:02:26 | TylerM: | I think we've already hit on some of the 'future' topics already today anyway :) |
| 08:02:26 | jmckenna: | or i missed |
| 08:02:35 | seven: | But I have set up a Wiki page and want to gather the more obvious opinions. |
| 08:02:49 | seven: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:The_Future_of_OSGeo |
| 08:02:50 | | * FrankW reloads wiki... |
| 08:02:50 | jmckenna: | seven: refresh wiki page? |
| 08:02:50 | sigq: | Title: Talk:The Future of OSGeo - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 08:03:01 | seven: | I'll add the link to the mail archive |
| 08:03:09 | seven: | and maybe we can start to collect some points there |
| 08:03:33 | FrankW: | jmckenna, pramsey: any explaination of why this change is advised? |
| 08:03:49 | TylerM: | paul and I were discussing it as well... |
| 08:03:59 | pramsey: | the current system is very susceptible to plumping |
| 08:04:12 | pramsey: | which works orthogonal to the idea of board members being "representative" |
| 08:04:29 | seven: | Does anybody have a link to that mail in the archive? |
| 08:04:32 | pramsey: | in hte current election, if you could get 6 of your friends to plump you and you plumped yourself, you'd be on othe board |
| 08:04:56 | pramsey: | so 7 people out of 95 electors and you're on the board |
| 08:05:17 | pramsey: | most elections have more stringent signature collection phases than that :) |
| 08:05:21 | | * seven feels exposed... :-) |
| 08:05:24 | jmckenna: | yes that seems odd to me as well. i like the proposal of one vote per candidate |
| 08:05:41 | | * crschmidt approves of the proposed change to election procedure. |
| 08:05:43 | FrankW: | If seven charter members felt it was that important, perhaps you should be on the board. |
| 08:05:53 | TylerM: | lol |
| 08:05:59 | seven: | It should be easy to change this. Where did the voting mechanism come from anyway? |
| 08:06:26 | FrankW: | However, I am also supportive of the proposed change. |
| 08:06:34 | FrankW: | I think I wrote it. |
| 08:06:47 | TylerM: | most people do not vote that way, so then it becomes unbalanced by those who do |
| 08:06:52 | FrankW: | We also use a similar approach for charter election - do we want to change that? |
| 08:07:02 | seven: | So someone more savvy in Web might want to give it a try. |
| 08:07:31 | | * mloskot is trying to keep unplumbable |
| 08:07:31 | pramsey: | yes, both should be changed |
| 08:07:35 | TylerM: | I think both voting processes should be changed |
| 08:07:47 | FrankW: | any objections to the change? |
| 08:07:50 | pramsey: | the wider the field of candidates relative to voting pool, the more susceptible the results are |
| 08:08:02 | seven: | Good. FrankW: Do you want to give it try until the next meeting? |
| 08:08:16 | seven: | We could then have a motion and vote. |
| 08:08:50 | TylerM: | ... a try via email vote |
| 08:09:12 | seven: | Yes. FIne by me. |
| 08:09:19 | | * FrankW too. |
| 08:09:24 | seven: | Wrap up. |
| 08:09:33 | seven: | Anything else anybody? |
| 08:09:36 | seven: | 10 |
| 08:09:38 | seven: | 9 |
| 08:09:39 | seven: | 8 |
| 08:09:46 | TylerM: | I'm good to go. |
| 08:09:55 | seven: | Motion to close the meeting. |
| 08:10:01 | crschmidt: | second. |
| 08:10:03 | FrankW: | +1 |
| 08:10:03 | | * markusN seconds |
| 08:10:05 | markusN: | +1 |
| 08:10:08 | seven: | +1 |
| 08:10:13 | | * crschmidt nods in assent |
| 08:10:16 | gzeiss: | +1 |
| 08:10:26 | crschmidt: | next board meeting is first thursday of Nov? |
| 08:10:27 | ravivundavalli: | feels good to be in the river |
| 08:10:34 | ajolma: | +1 |
| 08:10:35 | jmckenna: | +1 |
| 08:10:37 | seven: | crschmidt: Good that you ask! |
| 08:10:38 | crschmidt: | Same bat time, same bat channel? |
| 08:10:38 | TylerM: | great |
| 08:10:47 | seven: | Wait... |
| 08:10:53 | TylerM: | Geoff and Jeff - if you don't have my cell number let me know |
| 08:11:00 | ravivundavalli: | +1 |
| 08:11:02 | TylerM: | so we can connect in Sydney.. not sure I have yours either. |
| 08:11:04 | seven: | 2009-11-05 for next meeting time. |
| 08:11:14 | seven: | I will write an email to the board list. |
| 08:11:17 | TylerM: | Does this time of day work for our new directors? |
| 08:11:21 | FrankW: | do we want to discuss optimal time of day for the meeting? |
| 08:11:25 | | * seven might not be available then. |
| 08:11:37 | seven: | Nobody complained so far. Any news here? |
| 08:11:43 | gzeiss: | TylerW yes |
| 08:11:46 | jmckenna: | TylerM: will email my cell, good point |
| 08:11:48 | seven: | ravivundavalli: How does this time work for you? |
| 08:12:23 | ravivundavalli: | +1 for time |
| 08:12:26 | seven: | Good. |
| 08:12:34 | crschmidt: | For the record, I have access to a conference line at any time with a US-ian phone number. I just need to set up a meeting beforehand, and can pass out access to the board via email. |
| 08:12:53 | crschmidt: | I know that it's suboptimal to have it only be US, but might be an alternative to skype if that doesn't work. |
| 08:13:02 | TylerM: | crschmidt: that would be excellent. |
| 08:13:07 | seven: | Good to know. |
| 08:13:09 | jmckenna: | works for me |
| 08:13:15 | TylerM: | for those out of country, we could fund some Skype Out credits to get in |
| 08:13:20 | | * seven will Skpye into the conf line... Ugh. |
| 08:13:23 | ravivundavalli: | apetising |
| 08:13:35 | ravivundavalli: | dinner time |
| 08:13:53 | | * FrankW runs for lunch. |
| 08:13:55 | seven: | Please consider adding your *short* opinion here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:The_Future_of_OSGeo |
| 08:13:56 | sigq: | Title: Talk:The Future of OSGeo - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 08:14:06 | seven: | Mahlzeit. |
| 08:14:06 | TylerM: | ========== meeting ended |
| 08:14:19 | jmckenna: | i'm looking forward to a small f2f with some members at sydney! |
| 08:14:20 | TylerM: | thanks for coming! |
| 08:14:28 | seven: | jmckenna: +1 |
| 08:14:36 | seven: | Bye. |
| 08:14:40 | gzeiss: | See you down under |
| 08:14:47 | TylerM: | g'day gzeiss |
| 08:14:50 | jmckenna: | gzeiss: yes! :) |
| 08:14:50 | crschmidt: | TylerM: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Roles |
| 08:14:51 | sigq: | Title: Board Roles - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 08:14:55 | crschmidt: | seven left before I could link him to it |
| 08:15:04 | crschmidt: | but I'd really rather have all the board roles on one page than on 3 pages. |
| 08:15:05 | ravivundavalli: | Bi |
| 08:15:07 | TylerM: | ok thanks crschmidt |
| 08:15:19 | | * crschmidt confirms that MC conference line works with Skype |
| 08:15:20 | TylerM: | I was also starting a page - I'll pull them together. |
| 08:15:34 | TylerM: | crschmidt: thanks a lot for checking into it. |
| 08:18:27 | | * crschmidt joins the finance committee list. |
| 09:34:17 | crschmidt: | TylerM: I assume that you'll have discussed with Audodesk their plans for sponsorship by the time of the next board meeting? |
| 13:27:00 | sigq: | osgeofeed: Changeset [2591]: updated to beta3 release <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/2591> |
| 13:27:32 | CIA-13: | osgeo: jmckenna * r2591 /foss4g/benchmarking/scripts/mapserver/vector/ (33 files): updated to beta3 release |
| 15:37:36 | tarpalantir: | A partner in crime of mine, Edward MacGillavry added his coordinates at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Ed_Webmapper but he doesn't show up on the usermap. Any idea what might be wrong? |
| 15:37:37 | sigq: | Title: User:Ed Webmapper - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 15:41:04 | jgarnett: | rgould hi |
| 15:41:17 | jgarnett: | application is here http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/349 |
| 15:41:23 | sigq: | Title: #349 (PostGIS Application for Incubation) - OSGeo - Trac (at trac.osgeo.org) |
| 15:41:49 | jgarnett: | I was also surprised to see PostGIS still in the list( I thought they had found a mentor) |
| 15:42:37 | rgould: | just having a look |
| 15:42:43 | rgould: | (that's the postgis application, not geoserver :) |
| 15:43:20 | jgarnett: | doh - cut and paste trouble |
| 15:43:44 | jgarnett: | http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/423 |
| 15:43:45 | sigq: | Title: #423 (GeoServer application for incubation) - OSGeo - Trac (at trac.osgeo.org) |
| 15:43:48 | jgarnett: | how about that |