| 11:00:49 | hroi: | hi |
| 11:01:20 | hroi: | does anyone have experience with reprojecting MSG or geostationary (GEOS) image to some other projection . |
| 11:01:47 | hroi: | Im using gdalwarp, but it is giving errors with the MSG data. |
| 11:40:06 | hroi: | hello |
| 16:54:56 | mlucas_: | In flight, connected through wifi :-) |
| 16:55:52 | | * dmorissette notices board members walking in... is meeting in 7 minutes or in 1h07min? |
| 16:56:03 | FrankW_: | Hi Mark, it looks like I'll can be here for the first 30 minutes. |
| 16:56:09 | dmorissette: | Oh shhh... Daylight saving time change... |
| 16:56:14 | FrankW_: | dmorissette: from the world clock settings it should be in 7m. |
| 16:58:25 | | * mpg is here and standing by |
| 16:59:35 | mlucas_: | Frank same here, only as long as I am above 10k feet... |
| 17:03:02 | seven: | uGH, LATE |
| 17:03:09 | seven: | aND cAPS'D |
| 17:03:11 | mpg: | I've just joined Mark's hangout -- are we doing it that way this time? Do we need video (I'll need to switch to my laptop if so...) |
| 17:03:33 | seven: | Ah yes, there was a change in proceedings... |
| 17:03:35 | FrankW_: | I am embarrassed to admit I have no mic and can't meaningfully contribute in a hangout. |
| 17:03:35 | mlucas_: | we might just want to test quickly on the side |
| 17:03:47 | FrankW_: | I'll join though. |
| 17:03:54 | seven: | Wait a sec... need to set up my gear. (no video 4 me please :-) |
| 17:04:08 | seven: | FrankW_: +1 :-) |
| 17:04:31 | mlucas_: | I hear mpgs heady breathing |
| 17:04:32 | archaeogeek: | hang on, will have to switch google accounts, find mic etc |
| 17:04:40 | dmorissette: | when was the hangout info sent? |
| 17:04:43 | | * mpg stops breathing |
| 17:04:44 | dmorissette: | looking for it |
| 17:04:54 | seven: | mpg: don't please |
| 17:05:08 | seven: | We should see a hangout invitation? |
| 17:05:29 | dmorissette: | I dunno... what are you guys talking about then? |
| 17:05:33 | | * seven switches form analog to USB, tedious crap... |
| 17:06:08 | | * mpg runs to get laptop power cable, brb |
| 17:07:12 | tschaub: | I assumed this was an IRC meeting |
| 17:07:27 | FrankW_: | It looks like he is in first class! |
| 17:08:17 | mlucas_: | it is, just testing google + on the side I believe |
| 17:08:50 | mlucas_: | The Google + seems to work fine |
| 17:09:18 | | * dmorissette is installing Google-talkplugin |
| 17:09:35 | | * mpg booting laptop, for video |
| 17:09:51 | seven: | OK, G+ works but lets first start here, OK? |
| 17:09:56 | mlucas_: | ok |
| 17:10:13 | seven: | Lets start with a role call, who is here? |
| 17:10:30 | mlucas_: | Mark Lucas |
| 17:10:30 | | * FrankW_ is present for a short while. |
| 17:10:46 | archaeogeek: | Jo Cook |
| 17:10:51 | seven: | Arnulf Christl |
| 17:11:14 | mpg: | me |
| 17:11:18 | jmckenna: | am here. limitted connection/no voice cap |
| 17:11:22 | | * dmorissette is here |
| 17:11:24 | spatialguru: | Tyler's here too |
| 17:11:37 | seven: | Hey spatialguru, jmckenna |
| 17:11:43 | spatialguru: | howdy seven |
| 17:11:47 | jmckenna: | hi |
| 17:12:12 | seven: | Is my count right, are we missing Tim and |
| 17:12:13 | mpg: | I have no outbound audio on the hangout |
| 17:12:25 | | * mpg starts taking minutes |
| 17:12:48 | seven: | Peter will not show up, he is on sick leave |
| 17:13:19 | jmckenna: | ouch. brazil trip aftereffects? |
| 17:13:20 | spatialguru: | tschaub was here 5 minutes ago |
| 17:13:22 | seven: | OK, we have quorum, lets start. |
| 17:13:25 | seven: | The agenda is here: |
| 17:13:26 | seven: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2011-11-10 |
| 17:13:27 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2011-11-10 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 17:13:30 | tschaub: | still here spatialguru :) |
| 17:13:42 | seven: | Do we need to agenda bash, or are we going to manage? Anything last minute additiopns? |
| 17:14:05 | seven: | Ah, hi tschaub, sorry missed you in the role call. |
| 17:14:18 | seven: | OK, lets start then: |
| 17:14:21 | seven: | Review past minutes: Board Meeting 2011-10-05 |
| 17:14:29 | seven: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2011-10-05 |
| 17:14:30 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2011-10-05 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 17:15:11 | | * seven just dropped off G+... |
| 17:15:12 | | * dmorissette moves to adopt 2011-10-05 minutes meeting |
| 17:15:20 | FrankW_: | +1 on minutes |
| 17:15:24 | mlucas_: | +1 |
| 17:15:27 | archaeogeek: | +1 |
| 17:15:27 | seven: | +0 (not there) |
| 17:15:28 | jmckenna: | +1 |
| 17:15:31 | mpg: | +1 |
| 17:15:33 | | * tschaub was absent +0 |
| 17:15:39 | seven: | Thanks, passes. |
| 17:15:47 | seven: | Next: Appoint secretary |
| 17:15:50 | seven: | Done, thanks mpg |
| 17:15:56 | seven: | Action items from last meeting: |
| 17:16:01 | seven: | mpg: remove last line from codesprint guidelines [done] |
| 17:16:16 | seven: | anything to add mpg? |
| 17:16:47 | mpg: | nope -- FrankW was the one with comments last time, I think? |
| 17:17:09 | seven: | OK, so is this done or still in the doing? |
| 17:17:27 | mpg: | I claim done, unless someone has comments |
| 17:17:32 | seven: | Lets defer, please make a not ein the minutes. |
| 17:17:33 | tschaub: | they look done to me |
| 17:17:37 | seven: | OK. |
| 17:17:37 | | * FrankW_ has no issues. |
| 17:17:40 | seven: | Good. |
| 17:17:44 | seven: | Next: Peter to make mission text same on all pages. |
| 17:17:51 | FrankW_: | I believe that was accomplished. |
| 17:18:01 | seven: | Grrrr8. Thanks. |
| 17:18:05 | tschaub: | jmckenna and I did not communicate on RCMDR MOU |
| 17:18:09 | mpg: | wait -- defer trhe sprint guidleines? do we not have closure? |
| 17:18:19 | seven: | mpg: No, done. I was too quick. |
| 17:18:21 | tschaub: | closure achieved |
| 17:18:25 | mpg: | noted |
| 17:18:37 | FrankW_: | Do we need a motion to approve the sprint guidelines? |
| 17:18:41 | mpg: | yes |
| 17:18:49 | | * FrankW_ moves to approve the spring guidelines as drafted. |
| 17:18:57 | mpg: | second |
| 17:19:01 | seven: | +1 |
| 17:19:05 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 17:19:05 | mlucas_: | +1 |
| 17:19:06 | FrankW_: | +1 |
| 17:19:10 | tschaub: | +1 |
| 17:19:11 | jmckenna: | (need to check the link to that again...but) +1 |
| 17:19:20 | tschaub: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Code_Sprint_Guidelines |
| 17:19:21 | archaeogeek: | +1 (quickly reading link) |
| 17:19:21 | sigq: | Title: Code Sprint Guidelines - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 17:19:26 | seven: | Grrrr8. Thanks. |
| 17:19:36 | mpg: | (we can always ammend it later...) |
| 17:19:47 | jmckenna: | great work on that mpg |
| 17:20:03 | seven: | So, 2. was done, 3. not done. Tim, Jeff - do you want to step back or can you commit to draft RCMRD MOU? |
| 17:20:05 | mpg: | thanks |
| 17:20:23 | jmckenna: | MOU: zero interest on their side - zero emails nothing |
| 17:20:28 | tschaub: | jmckenna, have you had any ... |
| 17:20:42 | seven: | Ah. Well, that closes this one. |
| 17:20:42 | jmckenna: | zero zero |
| 17:20:43 | tschaub: | yeah, who originally thought an MOU was needed/important? |
| 17:20:48 | FrankW_: | hmm, he was so hot to go. |
| 17:20:53 | FrankW_: | Vincent has dropped the ball? |
| 17:20:54 | seven: | Not a left-in-spam folder issue? |
| 17:20:57 | jmckenna: | it seemed hot. obviously not so |
| 17:21:11 | tschaub: | they just signed another MOU, maybe they were busy |
| 17:21:15 | jmckenna: | ball is on ground. not sure |
| 17:21:15 | FrankW_: | I'll try to to ping him too but if they aren't that interested the matter drops. |
| 17:21:27 | jmckenna: | no contact to me |
| 17:21:28 | seven: | OK, thanks Frank. |
| 17:21:37 | seven: | Moving on... |
| 17:21:41 | seven: | defer: Peter: look into conf call options |
| 17:21:57 | seven: | Next: All, review Tyler's task list and prioritize, mark for budget if outsourcing is the option |
| 17:22:24 | seven: | I put that on the list originally. I guess the more pressing stuff is distributed now. |
| 17:22:45 | seven: | Is there anything open that will break our neck in the next month or two? |
| 17:22:59 | dmorissette: | Treasurer transition is not completed yet... |
| 17:22:59 | seven: | spatialguru: Are you aware of imminent things? |
| 17:23:30 | dmorissette: | Tyler and I will have to focus on this in the next week or so... it took quite a bit of time just to transfer the bank account |
| 17:23:41 | jmckenna: | what day does the contract end? |
| 17:23:52 | dmorissette: | final paperwork with the bank was completed only this week |
| 17:23:55 | dmorissette: | Tyler ends Nov 18 |
| 17:23:59 | | * mpg notes we have physical mail connections working now, and we have the CRM db working, and spatialguru is mailing me some paperowrk to archive |
| 17:24:18 | spatialguru: | bank's fault too.. local branch is learning a lot about our business :) |
| 17:24:25 | seven: | Yes, I saw some of the mail traffic... Makes me wonder how the TNC manages to rule the world so thoroughly... |
| 17:24:27 | dmorissette: | (not blaming you Tyler) |
| 17:24:37 | spatialguru: | dmorissette should have a bank card soon and have full access to accounts, at which time i'll ask to be removed |
| 17:24:59 | spatialguru: | daniel and I are in regular contact :) |
| 17:25:05 | mpg: | (TNC?) |
| 17:25:19 | seven: | Trans national corporations... realted to OWS |
| 17:25:21 | spatialguru: | a couple credit card subscriptions need to be moved/changed still.. |
| 17:25:32 | mpg: | got it |
| 17:25:33 | spatialguru: | so I can cut mine up or at least hope for now osgeo transactions to follow up on |
| 17:25:46 | seven: | OWS is not OpenGIS Web Services anymore... :-) |
| 17:25:49 | jmckenna: | what did we resolve for a phone number? |
| 17:26:01 | mpg: | TNC != The Natgure Conservancy either I guess |
| 17:26:26 | jmckenna: | meaning: main contact person/virtual person |
| 17:26:26 | spatialguru: | yeah i needed phone number for DNS stuff.. for finance related i use daniels, for secretary stuff i use michaels |
| 17:26:28 | dmorissette: | spatialguru: yup, credit cards is next on my list (using one of my own cards for the moment, already setup with some of the suppliers) |
| 17:26:30 | mpg: | I don't recall a phone number conversation |
| 17:26:38 | mpg: | oh that - yeah, me |
| 17:26:54 | seven: | OK. |
| 17:26:55 | mpg: | we should get a Google Voice number set up to use - I'll do that |
| 17:27:06 | tschaub: | nearing 1/2 way through meeting |
| 17:27:08 | spatialguru: | cool |
| 17:27:11 | tschaub: | and not 1/2 way through agenda |
| 17:27:18 | dmorissette: | did we not agree on 2 hours? |
| 17:27:22 | tschaub: | ah |
| 17:27:25 | tschaub: | not sure |
| 17:27:30 | mpg: | yes 120 mins |
| 17:27:34 | | * tschaub has a conflict in the second half |
| 17:27:37 | seven: | tschaub: Thanks for the reminder. Can we stay for 2h? |
| 17:27:48 | mlucas_: | frank and I will have to leave shortly |
| 17:27:53 | | * FrankW_ avoids other meeting and should be able to stay here till the end. |
| 17:27:55 | seven: | OK. |
| 17:28:02 | jmckenna: | this is my 5th hour of board meetings today. by end of hour, 'boarded' out |
| 17:28:07 | mpg: | +1 FrankW |
| 17:28:35 | seven: | I just reopened the spreadsheet and can see that only Jo has it open. Are you all aware of that list? |
| 17:28:45 | tschaub: | guess the motions are the important part to get done with a quorum |
| 17:28:49 | dmorissette: | aware yes, but lost link :) |
| 17:28:52 | FrankW_: | seven: link? |
| 17:28:57 | seven: | We don't need to go through it now but we should have a rough understanding of what is there. |
| 17:28:59 | FrankW_: | I did look at it once upon a time. |
| 17:29:03 | seven: | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AueqfMuYE6JYdGY0QnlBajdINGlSNTI0QkE2S2RNTEE&hl=en_US#gid=0 |
| 17:29:04 | sigq: | Title: Welcome to Google Docs (at docs.google.com) |
| 17:29:10 | FrankW_: | I *feel* that the key items are being addressed. |
| 17:29:16 | seven: | Good. |
| 17:29:26 | spatialguru: | it's public read/write fyi |
| 17:29:52 | seven: | What I extended in my agenda item was that we might need to reallocate our budget according to what we need to outsource from this list. |
| 17:30:09 | spatialguru: | aside from finances other hole i'm sensing is on systems/website side (and marketing) |
| 17:30:17 | seven: | spatialguru: Thanks, I guess we can move it to the Wiki, or parts of it not done yet. |
| 17:30:37 | seven: | spatialguru: Yes, I am trying to figure out what to do there... |
| 17:30:38 | spatialguru: | not sure i'll meet my personal goal to get all services i managed off old osgeo1 server or not |
| 17:30:54 | spatialguru: | feel free to move to wiki, used gdocs so you didn't have to edit wiki tables :) |
| 17:30:56 | FrankW_: | I think it is fine if the drupal migration falls to SAC/webcom |
| 17:31:10 | dmorissette: | spatialguru: what will your availability be like to help answer questions from us after Nov 18th? Hopefully you'll still be there to share advice? |
| 17:31:50 | mpg: | -1 on marketing as a "hole" -- I'd like to see the group as currently defined just disbanded (sorry) |
| 17:32:05 | spatialguru: | i'll do what i can dmorissette - but i have no payroll checks coming after that point... so you can imagine my focus will be elsewhere |
| 17:32:34 | seven: | mpg: I don't think I understand?! |
| 17:32:35 | jmckenna: | ouch |
| 17:32:50 | spatialguru: | mpg: not much to disbanded really |
| 17:32:50 | jmckenna: | no payroll checks here. what am i doing wrong</ |
| 17:32:56 | mpg: | see my email of ~30 mins ago |
| 17:33:11 | seven: | Yes, I read it, OK. got it. |
| 17:33:22 | dmorissette: | mpg: I saw your mail but don't necessarily agree |
| 17:33:36 | seven: | There is a large mail on Marketing list, let's see if we get more feedback. |
| 17:33:38 | mpg: | something to discuss clearly |
| 17:33:46 | FrankW_: | mpg: I can certainly imagine that lots of marketting can be going on even in the face of a relatively inactive marketting committee so I'm not too worried about the hole but I do value the committee and hope for activity and leadership there. |
| 17:33:50 | spatialguru: | marketing's been me, alex, cameron .. a couple others from time to time |
| 17:33:56 | archaeogeek: | reading mpgs email on marketing- I think we need someone to tell local chapters etc how to get marketing materials- eg print on demand, where svn is etc |
| 17:34:01 | spatialguru: | if board can have a better vision for it.. go for it :) |
| 17:34:06 | seven: | Let's give the Marketing committee a chance to respond, organize themselves. |
| 17:34:16 | FrankW_: | seven: +1 |
| 17:34:40 | seven: | OK. Can we come back to order please. |
| 17:34:41 | spatialguru: | please remove me as chair .. might as well do it now |
| 17:34:48 | jmckenna: | marketting could also be merged with conf committee, just speaking out loud. |
| 17:35:11 | archaeogeek: | need marketing for more than just conferences |
| 17:35:18 | dmorissette: | archaeogeek++ |
| 17:35:24 | seven: | OK, all good ideas, but lets defer any big changes until next meeting. |
| 17:35:25 | jmckenna: | ok, just a thought, no problem here. |
| 17:35:34 | archaeogeek: | take discussion back to marketing list, perhaps |
| 17:35:47 | seven: | Moving on... |
| 17:35:48 | seven: | 3 |
| 17:35:49 | seven: | 2 |
| 17:35:51 | seven: | 1 |
| 17:35:52 | seven: | Next: (Motion to) accept Jody Garnett as new Incubation Committee chair replacing Daniel Morissette |
| 17:35:56 | dmorissette: | The Incubation Committee has elected Jody Garnett as its new chair a few weeks ago |
| 17:36:01 | mlucas_: | +1 |
| 17:36:02 | dmorissette: | I move to approve Jody Garnett's as new Incubation Committee chair replacing Daniel Morissette |
| 17:36:07 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 17:36:09 | seven: | I second this. |
| 17:36:09 | FrankW_: | +1 |
| 17:36:12 | seven: | +1 |
| 17:36:15 | archaeogeek: | +1 |
| 17:36:16 | tschaub: | +1 |
| 17:36:19 | jmckenna: | +1 |
| 17:36:26 | seven: | Grrr8 |
| 17:36:31 | mpg: | +1 |
| 17:36:40 | seven: | Congrats, Jody! |
| 17:36:45 | seven: | Next: (Motion to) establish a North America Region Chapter OSGeo-NA |
| 17:36:50 | seven: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/North_America_Regional#Official_expression_of_interest_to_form_a_North_America_Regional_chapter_of_the_OSGeo_Foundation |
| 17:36:51 | sigq: | Title: North America Regional - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 17:37:14 | dmorissette: | I'm in favor of a NA chapter, but not sure I've had enough time to see the plan to approve it now |
| 17:37:18 | mlucas_: | Initial descent, I might lose my connection without notice |
| 17:37:19 | seven: | There has been too little broader input to my liking si far. |
| 17:37:36 | jmckenna: | i know i've tried to push a canada chapter. happy to see a larger chapter. |
| 17:37:41 | seven: | mlucas_: Thanks, this would be your pitch. |
| 17:37:58 | seven: | Maybe we have to reconvene at another time - or try to sort out more via mail? |
| 17:38:19 | mpg: | If this is a "vote of confidence" in having Mark continue to try to push the ball further along, I'm in favor |
| 17:38:21 | mlucas_: | I'm obviously aggressively pushing this, defer and I'll address the recent email comments |
| 17:38:33 | seven: | mpg: +1 |
| 17:38:35 | jmckenna: | my experience with trying to form canada chapter has been disappointing. too ...too..i guess. but happy to see NA chapter ideas |
| 17:38:38 | seven: | mlucas_: +1 |
| 17:38:53 | archaeogeek: | I think we need time before chapter can be formally adopted, but it's a good idea to start one |
| 17:39:00 | FrankW_: | agreed |
| 17:39:07 | seven: | Alternatively this could also become a Working Group on defence. Just an idea. |
| 17:39:15 | tschaub: | One concern of mine - I see the NA conferences as a solid source of revenue for OSGeo. And at least there is some mechanism by which OSGeo can support the projects that make it up. |
| 17:39:20 | mlucas_: | broader than defense |
| 17:39:27 | seven: | mlucas_: OK. |
| 17:39:29 | jmckenna: | ah i was not speaking of event. |
| 17:39:30 | mpg: | as I said in mails earlier today, I want to make sure this is Done Right since it is a huge precedent for us |
| 17:39:36 | tschaub: | It is not clear to me who the proceeds are going to benefit in the NA proposal |
| 17:39:47 | mpg: | BUT I don't want it to stall out |
| 17:40:12 | mlucas_: | Part of the logic is to segregate the management and risk |
| 17:40:16 | | * mpg notes "stall out" poor choice of words given mlucas_ current environemnt |
| 17:40:23 | tschaub: | and with the obvious focus on US DoD/Intel, I'm curious how other NA countries will be treated |
| 17:40:54 | | * dmorissette realizes now that maybe NA meant USA? |
| 17:40:54 | mpg: | in particular, NA is Canada and *Mexico* |
| 17:40:58 | tschaub: | yes |
| 17:41:16 | tschaub: | and a few more to the south :) |
| 17:41:21 | seven: | Nobody really answered to my proposal of disbanding the current board and using 3/4 of it to create the NA board. What about this idea? |
| 17:41:31 | tschaub: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America |
| 17:41:32 | sigq: | Title: North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) |
| 17:41:33 | mpg: | I want an NA conference, but a US DoD presense too |
| 17:41:40 | FrankW_: | seven: I am not in favor. |
| 17:41:44 | mpg: | -1 seven, sorry |
| 17:41:49 | dmorissette: | seven: that would create a void, not sure if that would help anything |
| 17:41:51 | seven: | mpg: OK, this feeld better to me. |
| 17:41:57 | tschaub: | will Nicaragua be able to host the conference? |
| 17:42:22 | spatialguru: | not sure where the "dod focus" or "usa only" ideas are coming from.. it's not the focus in the wiki page |
| 17:42:26 | mpg: | but I note the set of members being nominating is very i18n, great to see |
| 17:42:36 | jmckenna: | if there is a motion to disband current board for a more broad representation around globe i am 100% for it |
| 17:42:48 | tschaub: | spacedman: see Recent Events |
| 17:43:01 | tschaub: | and "In addition we will be coordinating closely with other relevant organizations:" |
| 17:43:15 | jmckenna: | i seem to be battling, and losing, hence my 100% mute-ness lately, the NA minded for events. |
| 17:43:20 | archaeogeek: | -1 at this stage for disbanding current board- push for a more global one next time |
| 17:43:21 | tschaub: | under http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/North_America_Regional#Mission |
| 17:43:21 | mpg: | spatialguru: mlucas_ wants to push DoD activities |
| 17:43:22 | sigq: | Title: North America Regional - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 17:43:35 | seven: | Not sure whether a chapter with members from Cuba works well with DoD. |
| 17:43:46 | mpg: | jmckenna: ? |
| 17:43:46 | seven: | But I have no idea, I am just a German... |
| 17:43:58 | spatialguru: | seven: your proposal assumes local chapter reps have more time on their hands than they have previously... it's been hard to get more than a few to even run for the board |
| 17:44:04 | mpg: | seven: yes, exactly my concerns |
| 17:44:19 | spatialguru: | i've solicited many many times but they are just so busy.. maybe changed now though |
| 17:44:30 | archaeogeek: | trying... |
| 17:44:38 | archaeogeek: | (with my local chapter hat on) |
| 17:44:44 | seven: | spatialguru: Good point. But the LCs are growing by the day. |
| 17:44:56 | tschaub: | unfortunate |
| 17:45:24 | tschaub: | re: us dod, that message was intended for spatialguru |
| 17:45:27 | seven: | Whatever - this is nothing we will do anytime soon. I just wanted to raise awareness to the fact that we are right now a throroughly NA org. |
| 17:45:33 | dmorissette: | seven: my experience of people in LCs is that they are happy to act locally... much harder to get them to join the global entoty... takes lots of time |
| 17:45:47 | seven: | dmorissette: Yes, right. |
| 17:45:47 | dmorissette: | s/entoty/entity |
| 17:46:06 | nhv: | heh is seven a NA entity ? |
| 17:46:28 | | * mpg confused, archaeogeek and seven are not NA |
| 17:46:30 | | * seven is Not Available |
| 17:46:51 | FrankW_: | I believe seven to some extent conflates western european and north american. |
| 17:46:59 | archaeogeek: | from UK perspective, I disagree- not an NA org |
| 17:47:05 | mpg: | I'm in favor of a broader board, but just having us resign en masse doesnt' seem at all productive |
| 17:47:08 | seven: | Yes, it is 7/9 NA and also 7/9 English native speakers. |
| 17:47:11 | spatialguru: | LCs look to OSGeo for leadership and direction.. so they know their local efforts will tie in (or look like they tie in) to something global.. |
| 17:47:11 | archaeogeek: | +1 mpg |
| 17:47:34 | seven: | FrankW_: Yes, that was my point. |
| 17:47:37 | spatialguru: | if people are not even being nominated, then you can't pull new directors out of the air :) |
| 17:47:47 | spatialguru: | </rant> |
| 17:47:56 | dmorissette: | spatialguru += 5 |
| 17:47:57 | mpg: | that said, I'd trade my global board seat for an NA/DoD/US/whatever seat |
| 17:48:18 | seven: | In a broader context of the "rest of the world" we can lunp Europe and NA in one bucket and be good with it. |
| 17:48:31 | FrankW_: | I think the next board election is the time to work hard to get broader representation on the board. |
| 17:48:39 | jmckenna: | seven: agreed |
| 17:48:40 | archaeogeek: | seven: No!!! we have our own concerns and interests |
| 17:48:40 | seven: | Yes. |
| 17:48:58 | FrankW_: | *Now* is a good time to broaden the charter membership. |
| 17:48:59 | mpg: | increasingly, I want the board to be a light touch over a set of loosely confedearated LCs |
| 17:49:03 | | * dmorissette honestly wonders if we'd get more nominations from the rest of the world if current board resigned ... I don't think that would change anything |
| 17:49:13 | mpg: | +1 dmorissette |
| 17:49:14 | seven: | mpg: +10 |
| 17:49:15 | spatialguru: | frankw: that's sort of my point.. i've privately solicited dozens of potential directors, esp from asia, south am.. but all were too busy or didn't get elected |
| 17:49:20 | spatialguru: | you can't tell people how to vote :) |
| 17:49:21 | dmorissette: | (by nomination here I meant board nomination... nor charter member nomination) |
| 17:49:45 | FrankW_: | spatialguru: agreed and understood. |
| 17:50:09 | jmckenna: | we could mandate <(?) put in our bylaws that so many elected board members are non-NA |
| 17:50:14 | seven: | OK. That was all I wanted, I am happy with the curent discussion. No need to go on, rest can be done via mail. |
| 17:50:21 | jmckenna: | 50% for example |
| 17:50:35 | seven: | jmckenna: not my goal, this should grow out of itself. |
| 17:50:38 | FrankW_: | jmckenna: we could, but not that the membership needs to approve any bylaw changes. |
| 17:50:41 | mpg: | jmckenna: we discussed that way back ionm the early days |
| 17:50:42 | FrankW_: | not -> note |
| 17:50:51 | seven: | But lets see what the Charter Member elections give us. |
| 17:50:58 | jmckenna: | alrighty |
| 17:51:02 | mpg: | jmckenna: we discussed that way back in the early days, but I dont' recall the arguments pro/con |
| 17:51:15 | spatialguru: | I believe some of the anti-NA/EU attitude actually has kept some valuable contributors scared away from helping OSGeo |
| 17:51:59 | seven: | Hu? |
| 17:52:07 | mpg: | I think I'm too US-centric to understand/recognize things like "anti-NA/EU attitude" |
| 17:52:14 | jmckenna: | so many cultural issues at play here. but i think if we gave those other communities a board seat they would thrive |
| 17:52:47 | seven: | spatialguru: I perceive this quite the other way round, many have not joined OSGeo because it appears as controlled by NA. |
| 17:52:50 | jmckenna: | roles/titles mean much much more in other non-western areas |
| 17:52:59 | seven: | jmckenna: Yes. |
| 17:53:15 | seven: | OK. I would like to stop this now. |
| 17:53:22 | seven: | But do not want to break off anything. |
| 17:53:22 | jmckenna: | :) |
| 17:53:31 | jmckenna: | good talk though. |
| 17:53:34 | spatialguru: | this idea, that somehow there are "too many" north americans or europeans or english speakers or men... etc.. it's not productive.. people get involved because of shared interest, available time, etc. Start setting quotas and you start telling people how to vote. :) |
| 17:53:34 | seven: | So please, speak up or let's continue. |
| 17:53:52 | seven: | spatialguru: My saying, quotas will not help. |
| 17:54:18 | seven: | But we are in the difficult situation that we have 100 buddies voting for 10 new buddies each year and then making their buddies directors. |
| 17:54:22 | nhv: | me thinks it is natural given the history of OSGeo that it still is predominately NA but this will change as more non NA/EU contributers step up |
| 17:54:25 | seven: | Me included, obviously. |
| 17:54:52 | seven: | nhv: Yes, these are my hopes. |
| 17:55:12 | mpg: | the current crop of nominees is a positive sign in that direction |
| 17:55:18 | seven: | So again, lets see what happens in the Charter Member elections. |
| 17:55:23 | seven: | mpg: Yes. |
| 17:55:42 | | * dmorissette notes that half of new charter member nominations so far are from non-NA/EU |
| 17:55:44 | seven: | ANd I feel bad in saying all of this because I really appreciate all your interest and energy. |
| 17:55:58 | spatialguru: | don't get me wrong.. i'm not anti-anyone :) but think these things grow organically as people are able, recognised for their contributions, etc. |
| 17:56:02 | | * mpg wonders where the non-NA nominee groundswell comes from.... (conspiracy theories welcome) |
| 17:56:07 | seven: | This includes Jo with her UK agenda - and lumping us all in one bucket. |
| 17:56:21 | spatialguru: | it's a meritocracy.. no? |
| 17:56:40 | | * mpg wishes Peter and Mark were here, and we could all be f2f at a bar somewhere |
| 17:56:40 | FrankW_: | mpg: I believe in part it comes from the nominators seeing the value of broading the charter membership. |
| 17:56:48 | seven: | Yes. Or even a do-ocracy. I am trying to do more global... :-) |
| 17:57:04 | nhv: | do-ocracy ++ |
| 17:57:14 | seven: | mpg: Yes - this is on our agenda, next f2f meeting plans. |
| 17:57:25 | mpg: | FrankW: I was kinda hoping to uncover some backroom arm-twisting and payoffs :-) |
| 17:57:31 | seven: | But lets close this - and again, thanks for your patience. |
| 17:57:42 | seven: | Ahrg. |
| 17:57:45 | seven: | Next: Discuss how to proceed with FOSS4G 2012 in Beijing. |
| 17:57:56 | mpg: | the minutes say "20 mins open discussion on NA chpter idea" |
| 17:57:56 | | * seven goes to smoke for a while. |
| 17:57:59 | seven: | You work this out. |
| 17:58:20 | tschaub: | is there a proposal to fund Jeff for 20K? |
| 17:58:23 | seven: | This is what we have now: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2012 |
| 17:58:24 | sigq: | Title: FOSS4G 2012 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 17:58:24 | mpg: | +1 for paying off jmckenna to solve this |
| 17:58:55 | dmorissette: | is jmckenna willing to take the "job"? |
| 17:58:59 | FrankW_: | Honestly, I'd like a written out proposal for what this entails and a bit of time to bounce it around before approving it. |
| 17:59:01 | jmckenna: | i've been quiet wondering how to manage osgeo events and still focus on keeping lights on. |
| 17:59:03 | tschaub: | just for the sake of discussion, what is the expected outcome of paying Jeff 20K? |
| 17:59:21 | dmorissette: | all good questions that need answering |
| 17:59:27 | | * tschaub is not opposed to the idea, just wondering what others see as the outcome |
| 17:59:29 | jmckenna: | yes of course, my heart is still and always be in foss4g |
| 17:59:34 | seven: | tschaub: A decent FOSS4G that pays for itself and does not put shame on us. |
| 17:59:48 | tschaub: | curious how the outcome might compare to dedicating $20K to scholarships |
| 17:59:57 | tschaub: | say $500 each for 15 workshop presenters and the top 25 community rated speakers |
| 17:59:58 | mpg: | my goals: (1) maintain a significant international event and not lose momentum, (2) break even or very close |
| 18:00:08 | tschaub: | in terms of recovering costs |
| 18:00:12 | seven: | Right now ALL and EVERYBODY I talked to said: Yes Beijing great. And asked whether they would go or sponsor. No. |
| 18:00:16 | FrankW_: | Has this been discusssed at all with Gao Ang? It would be nice to not blindside him. |
| 18:00:26 | tschaub: | helping get 40 regular/recognized presenters there might have a bigger impact on attendance |
| 18:00:30 | jmckenna: | for the f2f i came ready with a list of roles/tasks that need to be done - the ones that are not being done for china/2012 now. then NA movement came and i wondered if it is all worth it. |
| 18:01:02 | dmorissette: | tschaub: will 500$ really make the difference between you organizing a workshop in Beijing or not? |
| 18:01:14 | tschaub: | dmorissette: just a straw dog |
| 18:01:17 | jmckenna: | is the foss4g event still a priority for osgeo? or are we focusing on NA and EU events? |
| 18:01:41 | FrankW_: | I have no doubt that the primary FOSS4G event is still a focus for OSGeo. |
| 18:01:48 | mpg: | jmckenna: I was worried about stabbing Beijing in the back too, but an NA event is going to happen somehow, and so I want to try and work to make both happen without conflict |
| 18:01:48 | dmorissette: | jmckenna: it is still a priority for me |
| 18:01:50 | archaeogeek: | should still be global IMHO- see all the discussion we've just had re NA/EU |
| 18:01:55 | jmckenna: | how do they relate to the previous 'foss4g' event? how can all survive? i've been mute for a month because i don't know these answers |
| 18:02:06 | mpg: | YES, we need an i18n event or all is for naught |
| 18:02:33 | seven: | jmckenna: The reasons for your muteness has also been that the last FOSS4G burnt you out and you are recovering. |
| 18:02:50 | jmckenna: | i dind't want to spread negative thoughts on list so i have been quiet, letting things evolve..and talking to seven occassionaly |
| 18:02:55 | seven: | jmckenna: I have no doubt that FOSS4G will always need an international event. |
| 18:02:59 | mpg: | realistically, the Beijing event will in practice likely be a "China/FarEast Local Chapter Event" like the NA one -- but I'm okay with that, we still need to make it happen |
| 18:03:35 | seven: | mpg: Exactly. Unfortunately the obstacles are highest ever for FOSS4G. |
| 18:03:53 | seven: | Different language - like in No English. |
| 18:04:12 | seven: | Different culture - one that I have had a chance to thoroughly not understand a few years back. |
| 18:04:15 | | * FrankW_ was hoping for some simucast like at Daniel's quebec event. |
| 18:04:17 | seven: | And far away. |
| 18:04:22 | jmckenna: | good discussion..one i have needed for about 2 months |
| 18:04:59 | jmckenna: | 2 months ago i was worn out. now i am energetic and willing. |
| 18:05:02 | seven: | FrankW_: During the conferecen there must be siomultaneous translation. Iam talking about the preparation! |
| 18:05:13 | dmorissette: | Barcelona was also in non-English ground but worked out (okay, less cultural difference than Beijing I agree) |
| 18:05:14 | FrankW_: | Ah, for the LOC discussions. |
| 18:05:22 | seven: | FrankW_: Yes. |
| 18:05:22 | mpg: | Is anyone in favor of NOT supporting Beijing? I assume no... so the question is, how can we best hep our Chinese colleagues hold a asuccessful event? |
| 18:05:32 | seven: | Right now there is not LOC that I am aware of. |
| 18:05:37 | jmckenna: | hand holding. |
| 18:05:41 | seven: | We were never this late ever before. |
| 18:05:46 | FrankW_: | Well, there needs to be some board oversight, so there will presumably have to be some discussion of preparations and budget in english. |
| 18:05:49 | jmckenna: | no offense, but it must happen. and in person possibly. |
| 18:05:52 | seven: | mpg: Yes. |
| 18:06:17 | spatialguru: | there have typically been 2-3 reps on the LOC.. that's very useful esp in this case |
| 18:06:25 | jmckenna: | it happens each year...board members just don't know it. i have been doing weekly conf calls with local foss4g committees for many years now |
| 18:06:26 | FrankW_: | I will say I am supportive of a proposal to fund Jeff to support the FOSS4G 2012. |
| 18:06:38 | mpg: | The Beijing event will not be like Denver, but it does need some organizational push -- and it is our job to make sure that happens |
| 18:06:38 | dmorissette: | jmckenna: my question by asking if you were willing to take the job was related to whether 20k$ is enough |
| 18:07:24 | | * seven notes that the 20k came out of nowhere - I just needed a number to start things in this dircection. |
| 18:07:29 | archaeogeek: | I think we openly need to get behind them- give confidence |
| 18:07:34 | jmckenna: | dmorissette, i would treat it as a contract, so many days per month..like u would. and no probably not enough - imagine with travel? but it is something |
| 18:07:53 | seven: | archaeogeek: already doing just that and more of it will be good. |
| 18:07:54 | dmorissette: | Personally I might do another Quebec event for 20k$, but I would not take responsibility for Beijing for that amount |
| 18:08:11 | mpg: | jmckenna: would you be willing to make a proposal to the board (perhaps on board-priv, if you prefer) -- "How I Could Help The Beijing Team For $X Dollars" |
| 18:08:13 | archaeogeek: | seven: not really- too much discuss about NA event IMHO |
| 18:08:30 | jmckenna: | mpg, yes good plan |
| 18:08:48 | FrankW_: | I'd really prefer it not be on the private list if we can avoid it. There is already enough potential for conflict of interest, etc that I'd like to be as open as possible. |
| 18:08:58 | jmckenna: | i can also leave $$ out and just list tasks |
| 18:09:02 | | * spatialguru suggests a budget for 2012 and a review of current finances before committing |
| 18:09:04 | FrankW_: | At most a first draft for preliminary feedback on the private list. |
| 18:09:06 | tschaub: | might be nice first to get some confirmation that the effort would be appreciated by organizers |
| 18:09:09 | mpg: | FrankW: I want to be sensitve to jmckenna's costs and such |
| 18:09:14 | tschaub: | and then have open discussion about the $ |
| 18:09:28 | seven: | Let's make this very clear: I was thoroughly opposed to have FOSS4G in Beijing. But now that we have officially decided I will move hell to get it done well. |
| 18:09:37 | seven: | And we cannot defer much longer. |
| 18:09:44 | FrankW_: | agreed |
| 18:09:48 | seven: | We have to get this done within the next week. |
| 18:09:51 | jmckenna: | agreed fully |
| 18:10:04 | tschaub: | I'm in favor of saying that the board wants to support the conference organizing effort with a funded position |
| 18:10:10 | seven: | Good. |
| 18:10:18 | archaeogeek: | review finances and get jmckenna's costs by next week? |
| 18:10:20 | seven: | That is all we need to figure out the details. |
| 18:10:26 | mpg: | So let's us have Jeff make a proposal, and bring the Beijing team to the table, and say "We the board have som concerns, and so here is what the baord wants to do to help you" |
| 18:10:33 | dmorissette: | finances will depend on what comes back from Denver |
| 18:10:42 | FrankW_: | mpg++ |
| 18:10:42 | seven: | Grrrr8. |
| 18:10:42 | archaeogeek: | mpg: +1 |
| 18:10:43 | jmckenna: | that is fair. |
| 18:10:46 | | * seven relaxes. |
| 18:10:49 | mpg: | dmorissette: I was going to bring that up... |
| 18:10:58 | FrankW_: | I can't see it being a problem to fund 20K over the coming year. |
| 18:11:05 | seven: | FrankW_: +1 |
| 18:11:12 | mpg: | jmckenna: are you willing to write up such a proposal? |
| 18:11:15 | spatialguru: | I can hear some members already wondering... will the position be open for others to apply? |
| 18:11:18 | FrankW_: | But we do also need to prepare a budget, hopefully starting in the finance committee. |
| 18:11:21 | | * seven becomes a major sponsor if we don't have 20k... |
| 18:11:23 | jmckenna: | mpg, yes of course. it is needed |
| 18:11:48 | mpg: | jmckenna: go forth! |
| 18:11:49 | seven: | We are still waiting for a budget of FOSS4G, or did I get somethign wrong? |
| 18:12:14 | FrankW_: | I was speaking of an OSGeo budget. But FOSS4G2012 also needs to get it's budget together and approved as soon as possible. |
| 18:12:19 | mpg: | point of order -- where are we on agenda now? |
| 18:12:22 | FrankW_: | I can imagine them needing some support from jmckenna for that. |
| 18:12:30 | seven: | Maybe they have all the funding and don't need u - but here we loop back to my original issue: There is not communication with the LOC at all yet. |
| 18:12:35 | jmckenna: | spatialguru, a fair comment. we did not do that for your position. but a fair comment indeed. |
| 18:12:59 | seven: | No, to me this is out of question. |
| 18:13:08 | jmckenna: | i wasn't thinking of it as a position. but true. |
| 18:13:13 | seven: | We have one qualified member and we are in trouble and we need to do this now. |
| 18:13:30 | seven: | These are good enough arguments for me to appoint Jeff to do this. |
| 18:13:35 | seven: | Next year - whatever. |
| 18:13:35 | FrankW_: | I would be surprised to find another qualified candidate willing to do it for what we are likely to be willing to offer. |
| 18:13:51 | seven: | mpg: We are at: "Discuss how to proceed with FOSS4G 2012 in Beijing." |
| 18:13:58 | mpg: | If Jeff gets on the ground there and finds all in China is running smoothly, then fine |
| 18:14:20 | mpg: | seven: okay, we seemed to be drifting over to foss4g 2011 finances |
| 18:14:23 | seven: | OK. Are we done with this topic? |
| 18:14:26 | FrankW_: | Based on the lack of communication it is clear things are already not working properly. |
| 18:14:30 | spatialguru: | i have a list of questions like this, only because i worked through the idea earlier in the year.. don't take them personally |
| 18:14:34 | dmorissette: | I agree that this role needs to be filled badly. Even with Denver (which was in NA and in English) there were significant lose ends that Jeff had to deal with (and he was burned out at the end)... so I can't imagine it would be any better with Beijing |
| 18:14:50 | | * seven feels that we did get somewhere now. |
| 18:14:51 | jmckenna: | spatialguru, ok thanks, good points though |
| 18:15:02 | archaeogeek: | I think we just do it- call it board liaison then there's no other possible candidate |
| 18:15:10 | seven: | archaeogeek: +1 |
| 18:15:19 | mpg: | I repeat: the sooner we can get Jeff on the ground there, the sooner we will know if our Fears are justified or not |
| 18:15:27 | jmckenna: | dmorissette, thanks for saying this (no sarcasm, just me speaking) very true |
| 18:15:28 | mpg: | archaeogeek: +1 |
| 18:15:35 | FrankW_: | no, we can't tie it to being a board member. That's a conflict of interest! |
| 18:15:35 | mpg: | jmckenna: name your price :-) |
| 18:15:35 | | * seven looks at time. Time to move one? |
| 18:15:49 | jmckenna: | thanks for the consideration. i am honoured. |
| 18:15:51 | spatialguru: | jmckenna and seven have my list of concerns/questions on this position from back in January.. so i'll shut up for now |
| 18:15:57 | seven: | FrankW_: Details that we need to sort out. |
| 18:16:17 | seven: | FrankW_: Your are right, but these are details that we need to sort out now. |
| 18:16:34 | seven: | spatialguru: Yes, and we will need to look into this carefully. |
| 18:16:40 | jmckenna: | spatialguru, i should dig up those concerns and try to deal with that in the proposal (I will try) |
| 18:17:05 | mpg: | jmckenna: what is your date for getting us your proposal? |
| 18:17:20 | jmckenna: | seven said next week latest |
| 18:17:24 | seven: | It seems like we have no -1 on proceeding. So can we table this and get a full proposal from Jeff / with the help of anybody needed. |
| 18:17:30 | FrankW_: | agreed |
| 18:17:36 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 18:17:42 | seven: | Yes, lets fix this for Thursday next week. It is no magic. |
| 18:17:43 | spatialguru: | if 2012 event is truly in dire straights i also suggest the conf committee needs to discuss what went wrong to allow it to happen |
| 18:17:46 | mpg: | we'll say the 18th then |
| 18:17:52 | mpg: | 17th sorry |
| 18:17:55 | archaeogeek: | spatialguru: +1 |
| 18:18:20 | tschaub: | I still feel like the board should try to put together some objectives |
| 18:18:26 | seven: | confcom is - well, not really responsive right now. But this will bring in some fresh wind. |
| 18:18:29 | mpg: | spatialguru: +1, but not right now |
| 18:18:30 | jmckenna: | i'm not sure we can say dire or what yet. but things need to happen soon for sure |
| 18:18:35 | tschaub: | so we can measure success |
| 18:18:44 | seven: | tschaub: Good. |
| 18:18:59 | jmckenna: | fresh wind for sure |
| 18:19:07 | seven: | Back to the agenda now, please! |
| 18:19:12 | seven: | Next item: |
| 18:19:23 | seven: | (last chance to chime in on FOSS4G Beijing) |
| 18:19:26 | seven: | 3 |
| 18:19:27 | seven: | 2 |
| 18:19:28 | | * gsherman thinks the board approriating money to another board member without public disclosure/discussion is bad policy |
| 18:19:29 | seven: | 1 |
| 18:19:36 | seven: | Next : Geospatial Media offer to join organizing the Open Source track at Geospatial World Forum in Amsterdam (see mail) |
| 18:20:01 | seven: | FrankW_ suggested moving this to the Marketing committee. |
| 18:20:19 | seven: | Good point, but it is chairless and not really active and some propose to remove it completely. |
| 18:20:38 | seven: | So I'll just do this particular bit on my own. |
| 18:20:42 | FrankW_: | Is there someone on the board who wants to own the proposed open source track? |
| 18:20:49 | FrankW_: | If so, they could join the marketting committee and go for it. |
| 18:20:50 | mpg: | not remove it today, but evolve it away in the coming weeks/months |
| 18:20:52 | dmorissette: | does it have to be someone from the board? |
| 18:20:54 | FrankW_: | If not, we can't exactly task someone. |
| 18:21:05 | FrankW_: | So - as often - it depends on a volunteer. |
| 18:21:13 | seven: | I'll do this. |
| 18:21:16 | dmorissette: | I mean is there a trusted community member who's lead it? |
| 18:21:40 | seven: | Done? |
| 18:21:45 | FrankW_: | good by me. |
| 18:21:48 | seven: | Next item: |
| 18:21:51 | seven: | Review, simplify and harmonize OSGeo Bylaws, guidelines and OSGeo Constitution |
| 18:21:57 | seven: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Bylaws |
| 18:21:58 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo Bylaws - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 18:22:02 | seven: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Constitution |
| 18:22:03 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo Constitution - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 18:22:20 | | * FrankW_ is supportive of striking a bylaw update working group as suggested by mpg. |
| 18:22:22 | seven: | FrankW_ explained how to proceed in his mail. |
| 18:22:23 | mpg: | gsherman: understood and agreed, bad policy in general... but sometimes the board has to make exceptions (we did discuss this very issue earlier on) |
| 18:22:43 | FrankW_: | But it needs to solicit input from the membership, and will ultimately need to be approved by a vote of the charter membership. |
| 18:23:09 | gsherman: | it doesn't really matter---it's the perception of the other members and community |
| 18:23:26 | seven: | gsherman: Noted, we need to be aware of this. Thanks |
| 18:23:28 | | * tschaub will be 1/2 present for the next 1/2 hr while preparing for upcoming meeting |
| 18:23:49 | dmorissette: | gsherman: that's been discussed publicly on the board list already in September, and there will likely be more discussion on the board list before it's approved, doesn't that count? |
| 18:23:51 | mpg: | (well, yes, it does matter very much...) (also, this IS a public discussion, that's why we use IRC for these mtgs) |
| 18:24:06 | seven: | mpg: Yes |
| 18:24:10 | spatialguru: | (mpg: heh - it's been discussed off list since January, but only now in public ) |
| 18:24:20 | seven: | Can we come back to the agenda please. |
| 18:24:39 | jmckenna: | i am fine with being open |
| 18:24:47 | seven: | We need a working group. Where from? |
| 18:24:50 | | * gsherman will shut up, but first points out that irc logs and board mailing list have limited circulation |
| 18:25:05 | archaeogeek: | remind me of problems with existing bylaws? |
| 18:25:15 | archaeogeek: | (or where to find mail about it) |
| 18:25:16 | dmorissette: | Last OT note: Previous discussion of this on board list: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2011-September/008894.html |
| 18:25:17 | sigq: | Title: [Board] 2012 FOSS4G Decision (at lists.osgeo.org) |
| 18:25:19 | seven: | gsherman: Some time ago I sent a mail with the minutes to Discuss. But then stopped. Do you think this would help? |
| 18:25:38 | gsherman: | seven, certainly |
| 18:26:08 | | * mpg doesn't think osgeo-discuss should include board activites... that's why we have an open board list |
| 18:26:15 | FrankW_: | archaeogeek: I mentioned a couple issues but I have to conceed after reading through them carefully they are closer to our operating procedures than I had expected. |
| 18:26:25 | archaeogeek: | FrankW: just found them, thanks |
| 18:26:29 | mpg: | back to the bylaws discussion |
| 18:26:43 | | * FrankW_ thinks that occational summizing of board activity, as we did after the F2F is a *good* idea. |
| 18:26:51 | mpg: | FrankW agreed with my siuggestion for a team, any other ideas? |
| 18:26:54 | seven: | dmorissette: Thanks for the link, yes this makes it more transparent. But on board list only, true. |
| 18:26:54 | FrankW_: | (that is, to the discuss list) |
| 18:26:58 | jmckenna: | agreed frank |
| 18:27:03 | mpg: | (FrankW, yes agreed) |
| 18:27:19 | | * seven commits to sending a board report within a week after the meeting to Discuss. |
| 18:27:42 | seven: | add that to the minutes too please... :-) |
| 18:27:59 | seven: | mpg: +1 |
| 18:28:03 | dmorissette: | and the next report will include mention of possible funding for Jeff/Conference role, so that will hopefully address transparency? |
| 18:28:09 | seven: | How to recruite members? |
| 18:28:19 | seven: | dmorissette: Yes. |
| 18:28:35 | archaeogeek: | I like FrankW's comments- though I think formal mention of local chapters and procedure for setting one up would be useful |
| 18:29:12 | mpg: | all those who have comments on Franks comments could volunteer to be on the committee |
| 18:29:15 | FrankW_: | I would we should select one board member to lead this working group and solicit additional members on the discuss list. |
| 18:29:29 | jmckenna: | recruit: would a small yearly fee with certain benefits attract new members> |
| 18:29:36 | FrankW_: | (garr, my text is always so garbled) |
| 18:29:49 | seven: | I am much worse. |
| 18:29:54 | jmckenna: | oh maybe misread recruit question |
| 18:30:10 | FrankW_: | Is there a board volunteer to lead this effort? |
| 18:30:14 | seven: | jmckenna: Yes, misread. No incentive for folksmeddling with our constitution. |
| 18:30:23 | jmckenna: | oh ok sorry. |
| 18:30:35 | | * seven is hesitant becaue she is overloading. |
| 18:30:50 | seven: | But I will rear my ugly head anyway... |
| 18:31:13 | FrankW_: | It would be better if someone a bit less loaded stepped up! |
| 18:31:19 | dmorissette: | agreed |
| 18:31:21 | mpg: | Frank or Jo? |
| 18:31:23 | | * dmorissette thinks dealing with constitution, while important, should be P2 after dealing with shorther term ED transition issue |
| 18:31:26 | FrankW_: | I'm avoiding volunteering to lead even though I will no doubt have many opinions. |
| 18:31:38 | seven: | Jo, this would be great. I am all in helping you, |
| 18:31:41 | mpg: | you can be a member but not leader |
| 18:31:46 | archaeogeek: | I don't feel like I know enough about constitutions and bylaws to lead really... |
| 18:32:07 | seven: | That's great and will avoid that we end up with legalese but something useful. |
| 18:32:08 | archaeogeek: | but... if y'all ask nicely... |
| 18:32:13 | mpg: | please? |
| 18:32:16 | seven: | How can I do that. |
| 18:32:16 | mpg: | pretty please? |
| 18:32:19 | | * FrankW_ asks archaeogeek nicely! |
| 18:32:23 | | * seven goes down on her knees. |
| 18:32:38 | | * mpg offers chocolate |
| 18:32:45 | archaeogeek: | ah- that would do it- OK |
| 18:32:48 | seven: | Ha. |
| 18:32:50 | jmckenna: | ha |
| 18:33:02 | | * mpg expenses one box chocolates to UK |
| 18:33:09 | | * seven scrambles up again. Less worth than chocolate, well... |
| 18:33:27 | archaeogeek: | it was the cumulative effect |
| 18:33:33 | archaeogeek: | not just the chocs :-) |
| 18:33:43 | seven: | Great. |
| 18:33:47 | seven: | Details follow. |
| 18:33:49 | mpg: | I formaly move Jo to solicit members for a team to review bylaws ans suggest changes |
| 18:34:02 | FrankW_: | +1 |
| 18:34:04 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 18:34:08 | seven: | second & +1 |
| 18:34:16 | jmckenna: | +1 |
| 18:35:09 | seven: | archaeogeek: You can abstain, tschaub will have to ping later. |
| 18:35:15 | seven: | Done. Thanks. |
| 18:35:21 | seven: | OK, we have one more larger agenda item: Task WebCom (if still alive) with web site redesign, see also http://www3.osgeo.org/ and WebCom_OSGeo_Site_Focus#All_Together_Now |
| 18:35:22 | sigq: | Title: OSGeo (at www3.osgeo.org) |
| 18:35:34 | | * mpg has to take quick 2 min break |
| 18:36:25 | seven: | There has been some work ongoing, was then stifled a bit by FrankW_'s concerns. Where are we now? |
| 18:36:41 | seven: | The underlying issue is that WebCom is not functional and SAC not taking over. |
| 18:36:52 | spatialguru: | archaeogeek: i suggest adding to the bylaws, some sort of deadline date for having budgets and annual goals/objectives in place for upcoming years.. it always slips by too easily |
| 18:37:09 | seven: | Maybe similar strategy to Marketing? Ask WebCom what to do and disband if not existent anymore? |
| 18:37:11 | FrankW_: | I think the issue is that there isn't sufficient volunteer commitment to carrying the redesign through to completion. |
| 18:37:15 | dmorissette: | I think website design and system admin require completely different skills, so the split between webcom and SAC makes sense, no? |
| 18:37:19 | | * tschaub belated +1 for mpg's proposal for bylaw review |
| 18:37:29 | seven: | Thanks tschaub |
| 18:37:33 | spatialguru: | FrankW_: I think you're right |
| 18:37:48 | archaeogeek: | seems to have got over-complicated to me |
| 18:37:52 | jmckenna: | some good work on that new interface. needs a champion to keep it alive |
| 18:37:56 | FrankW_: | And given that I'd be pleased it webcom with SAC support can get what we have now ported to a new server as a near term objective. |
| 18:37:57 | spatialguru: | wolf was the main drupal master.. but now there is no one |
| 18:38:43 | jmckenna: | some twitter talk about why not something darn easy to maintain like sphinx - not taking away the good work already done |
| 18:39:06 | seven: | Yes, I was also thinking whether we really need a monster CMS. |
| 18:39:14 | spatialguru: | my recommendation is to use *whatever* there are significant volunteers to rally around |
| 18:39:16 | FrankW_: | We went through a bruising decision process to select Drupal. If someone wants an alternative and is willing to do lots of work on it they should bring it up on webcom. |
| 18:39:25 | dmorissette: | FrankW_: do you mean the website is still on the old Peer1 server and needs to be moved? |
| 18:39:27 | | * mpg back |
| 18:39:30 | FrankW_: | dmorissette: yes |
| 18:39:36 | dmorissette: | is this the last thing? |
| 18:39:38 | FrankW_: | that is the P1 issue from my point of view. |
| 18:39:46 | FrankW_: | no, unfortunately mailman is also still on the old server. |
| 18:39:48 | FrankW_: | My migration failed. |
| 18:39:55 | FrankW_: | and a few odds and ends. |
| 18:40:23 | seven: | Content changes much less these days. More like the planet, news, and minor fixes. They can live as separate beasta in pretty static framework. |
| 18:40:26 | jmckenna: | even the 'easy' platforms like sphinx need champions. |
| 18:40:40 | dmorissette: | So it's not a website design issue, it's a website technical migration issue... and belongs in SAC territory |
| 18:40:48 | seven: | dmorissette: It is both. |
| 18:40:53 | FrankW_: | the migration is part sac, part webcom imho. |
| 18:41:08 | FrankW_: | The redesign, barring changes of technology is all webcom. |
| 18:41:14 | seven: | I can remember when Marketing (then VisCom) and WebCom had a fight about who produces content. Now both dead. Haha. |
| 18:41:17 | dmorissette: | can't we just take the current server env and copy it to a virtual machine? |
| 18:41:46 | | * mpg has no opinions on any of this... |
| 18:41:46 | jmckenna: | we could also budget for a maintainer...someone to take this on with passion |
| 18:41:51 | FrankW_: | dmorissette: that is one option but the original hope was to upgrade to a newer drupal. |
| 18:42:06 | FrankW_: | potentially budgetting would help but I'm not sure who would could get to do it that we could afford. |
| 18:42:20 | FrankW_: | I really don't feel this is something to discuss in detail at the board level. |
| 18:42:51 | dmorissette: | agreed. I'll look for the discussion on the SAC list to inform myself |
| 18:42:56 | FrankW_: | (and webcom!) |
| 18:43:06 | seven: | FrankW_: Right. |
| 18:43:17 | seven: | Anything else on this? |
| 18:43:47 | dmorissette: | nothing here |
| 18:43:53 | seven: | Penultimate agenda item: |
| 18:43:58 | seven: | Initial contact point for sponsorship requests and follow-ups. |
| 18:44:16 | mpg: | wait, what was just decided on the webcom topic? |
| 18:44:27 | seven: | Drop it. No more web site. |
| 18:44:27 | FrankW_: | mpg: it was decided it is up to sac and webcom I think. |
| 18:44:35 | dmorissette: | mpg: nothing I fear |
| 18:44:49 | FrankW_: | We don't need to make all decisions *here*. |
| 18:45:02 | seven: | We will have to check whether WebCom is still functional. |
| 18:45:08 | mpg: | okay, not a "defer" then |
| 18:45:10 | dmorissette: | who is webcom chair? |
| 18:45:15 | FrankW_: | chris. |
| 18:45:16 | seven: | crschmidt: |
| 18:45:32 | FrankW_: | I'm sure he would be willing to turn it over to a willing volunteer. |
| 18:45:40 | jmckenna: | sponsorship contact: you mean someone to go out doing outreach with potential sponsors right? this is a big role |
| 18:45:58 | seven: | No, just a point of contact for those who come to our doorstep. |
| 18:46:16 | FrankW_: | I saw this role as answering questions about sponsorship and perhaps ensuring our communication with sponsors is kept alive. |
| 18:46:16 | jmckenna: | they won't come without the other step. :) |
| 18:46:19 | seven: | We are so cool, that these things now really start to happen! \o/ |
| 18:46:22 | dmorissette: | and possibly to provide advice to others who have sponsors to refer |
| 18:46:27 | dmorissette: | jmckenna: some do |
| 18:46:42 | dmorissette: | and the worse is to not be able to answer them in time |
| 18:46:56 | seven: | jmckenna: You are right - this will not solve our issue with not having a FunCom anymore. |
| 18:46:58 | FrankW_: | To ensure that anyone soliciting a sponsor has someone to go to for help, as they would have gone to Tyler in the past. |
| 18:47:00 | spatialguru: | just give me an email to redirect message to ;-) |
| 18:47:04 | archaeogeek: | definitely need this role- for both incoming and outgoing |
| 18:47:12 | seven: | spatialguru: arnulf@osgeo.org |
| 18:47:24 | spatialguru: | done :) |
| 18:47:50 | seven: | I will have to pass this on to someone when I am away in January and February. So this is not a life time commitment. |
| 18:47:58 | seven: | spatialguru: Thanks. |
| 18:48:04 | archaeogeek: | we all need to know basics anyhow |
| 18:48:07 | jmckenna: | needed role, but i'd like to see someone tasked with, you know, building the 'relationships' and all that, that sponsors require |
| 18:48:09 | FrankW_: | I'm happy to be fallback sponsorship goto person. |
| 18:48:12 | seven: | Where do you configure this? I would like to get access. |
| 18:48:31 | FrankW_: | jmckenna: tasking is hard in a world of volunteers. At some point we may have this as a funded role. |
| 18:48:32 | seven: | jmckenna: Right, but this is different discussion. |
| 18:48:44 | jmckenna: | ok fair |
| 18:48:48 | spatialguru: | seven: i'm only thinking of emails that will likely still come to tmitchell@osgeo.org .. will forward them directly to you |
| 18:48:58 | seven: | spatialguru: Good. |
| 18:49:14 | jmckenna: | dmorissette, i could see a kim tofin thriving at this role, as an example of a type of person |
| 18:49:15 | seven: | Ah, wait a second. Are you giving up your OSGeo email? |
| 18:49:18 | spatialguru: | same with any phone calls I get on my cell |
| 18:49:32 | spatialguru: | seven: heh no |
| 18:49:49 | seven: | OK, just those realted to sponsoiring blabla. Fine with that. |
| 18:49:59 | spatialguru: | i'll 'selectively' forward :) |
| 18:50:04 | FrankW_: | other general information requests can be sent to info@osgeo.org. |
| 18:50:11 | spatialguru: | got it ok |
| 18:50:18 | seven: | OK. We are almost done. Last item on the agenda: |
| 18:50:20 | seven: | please add items |
| 18:50:29 | seven: | Anythign else anyone? |
| 18:50:34 | archaeogeek: | we missed whats_not_working |
| 18:50:34 | mpg: | F2F? |
| 18:50:42 | archaeogeek: | I thought there were some good points |
| 18:50:52 | seven: | archaeogeek: deprecate and remove links pointing there. |
| 18:50:59 | FrankW_: | Does anyone object to my idea of marking the two wiki pages antique and stopping referring to them from elsewhere? |
| 18:51:10 | seven: | FrankW_: I am +1 on this. |
| 18:51:26 | FrankW_: | It being a wiki, I will take this action barring objections. |
| 18:51:40 | archaeogeek: | +1 as long as we bear points in mind |
| 18:51:45 | spatialguru: | FYI if anyone sees old links or reference material that includes my phone number or email.. feel free to change it.. (letting me know would be nice too) |
| 18:51:46 | seven: | archaeogeek: If you think some of this is still valid please bring it up on the corresponding list. |
| 18:51:59 | seven: | ..or here. |
| 18:52:32 | seven: | I will have to leave on time. Do we need a call now to confirm motions? |
| 18:52:45 | seven: | Skype again, or try another hangout? |
| 18:53:22 | | * FrankW_ wants to establish an executive committee so our +1's in IRC are official1 |
| 18:53:23 | | * FrankW_ wants to establish an executive committee so our +1's in IRC are official! |
| 18:53:35 | dmorissette: | or vote by email. I did it last time and that worked out |
| 18:53:45 | mpg: | this is silly, why do we need to do this again? |
| 18:53:46 | FrankW_: | I'm in favor of vote by email for our motions. |
| 18:53:53 | seven: | +1 |
| 18:53:59 | jmckenna: | +1 email |
| 18:54:04 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 18:54:05 | FrankW_: | mpg: because board motions are subject to some particular restrictions to be official. |
| 18:54:07 | seven: | We still have this silly bit in our bylaws. |
| 18:54:11 | archaeogeek: | +1 |
| 18:54:21 | archaeogeek: | (note for bylaw changes...) |
| 18:54:26 | seven: | So this might be something we can .. thanks archaeogeek |
| 18:54:33 | seven: | OK. |
| 18:54:40 | mpg: | archaeogeek: this should be first up agains the wall for your new taks force! |
| 18:54:51 | mpg: | I can send out email of all motions for people to reply to |
| 18:54:59 | jmckenna: | mpg, was your f2f ideas dealt with? i missed that |
| 18:55:00 | FrankW_: | archaeogeek: there are limits on what we can do in our bylaws under state law. This may be one of those things we can't easily change. We can discuss this during bylaw review. |
| 18:55:10 | seven: | Thanks all. This was a really good meeting. I feel energized. How about you? |
| 18:55:24 | dmorissette: | thanks mpg. and then please add an "Update: ... " note to the motions section of the minutes like I did in the http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2011-10-05 |
| 18:55:25 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2011-10-05 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 18:55:27 | archaeogeek: | FrankW: I was concerned about that side of things- so help would be nice with that |
| 18:55:32 | FrankW_: | I feel positive, and I appreciated having more time for us to chew on issues. |
| 18:55:38 | | * seven says this partly to confirm that IRC is a good medium... |
| 18:55:44 | archaeogeek: | Yes- good chat |
| 18:55:47 | jmckenna: | good meeting, glad i raced to internet connection. :) |
| 18:55:48 | mpg: | I feel we have dealt with administrative matters, but nothing to substance |
| 18:55:59 | seven: | It just requires that we are well prepared by reading the agenda a day before we meet. |
| 18:56:00 | mpg: | I feel we have dealt with administrative matters, but resolved nothing of substance |
| 18:56:28 | FrankW_: | I would be interested in a post-meeting explanation of the substance you hope would be addressed by the board. |
| 18:56:58 | mpg: | FrankW: will do |
| 18:57:15 | seven: | mpg: Can you please put the f2f on our next agenda? |
| 18:57:24 | | * mpg sighs |
| 18:57:26 | mpg: | yes, will do |
| 18:57:27 | spatialguru: | My last board meeting - wishing you all well in future endeavours! |
| 18:57:28 | seven: | I do believe that we should meet in person more often. |
| 18:57:50 | archaeogeek: | thanks spatialguru! |
| 18:58:07 | seven: | spatialguru: So true. Thansk for all the good work and I hope that we will see you here evey now and then in your new role - whatever that may be! |
| 18:58:25 | FrankW_: | what's working / what's not working updates completed. |
| 18:58:31 | jmckenna: | spatialguru, thanks for all these years of hard work. i think we'll keep seeing u around...this spatial world is small!!!!!!!!! :) i can remember talking to u when u worked at timberline??? |
| 18:58:34 | spatialguru: | no problem - i'll be sure to lob some grenades as a charter member :) |
| 18:58:45 | seven: | spatialguru: +1 |
| 18:58:51 | FrankW_: | spatialguru++ on that. |
| 18:59:15 | | * seven drops off. See you all in four weeks. I'll send reminders. |
| 18:59:21 | spatialguru: | hehe e.g. still no goals and objectives or budget... but lots of talk about spending :) |
| 18:59:31 | spatialguru: | i'd be drinking by now if i was still on staff |
| 18:59:36 | spatialguru: | ;-) |
| 18:59:42 | jmckenna: | ha |
| 18:59:44 | FrankW_: | lol |
| 18:59:55 | spatialguru: | well, still have a week to start! |
| 18:59:59 | seven: | spatialguru: See, everything has a good side to it. |
| 19:00:15 | | * seven (waves) |
| 19:00:24 | mloskot: | spatialguru: thanks for hard work! |
| 19:01:12 | spatialguru: | heya mloskot - nice to see you thanks.. |
| 19:01:16 | spatialguru: | see you in april! |
| 19:01:25 | spatialguru: | and hopefully you too archaeogeek in Lancaster |
| 19:01:30 | archaeogeek: | :-) |
| 19:02:03 | | * spatialguru wondering if spacedman is related to geospacedman |
| 19:02:06 | archaeogeek: | date for next meeting or sort by email? |
| 19:02:21 | jmckenna: | yes i wanted to know that as well. |
| 19:02:24 | archaeogeek: | (it being near to Christmas) |
| 19:02:31 | mloskot: | :) |
| 19:02:50 | geospacedman: | spatialguru: we are one and the same |
| 19:03:19 | spatialguru: | seven said see you in 4 weeks.. i'm assuming that's your next date |
| 19:03:29 | spatialguru: | geospacedman: good to know where to find you :) |
| 19:03:32 | spatialguru: | in stereo even! |
| 19:03:36 | archaeogeek: | 8th december? |
| 19:04:08 | jmckenna: | 15th? |
| 19:04:11 | jmckenna: | ha |
| 19:04:45 | archaeogeek: | 15th no good |
| 19:05:13 | jmckenna: | 8th is ok for me |
| 19:05:55 | archaeogeek: | could confirm via email? |
| 19:06:01 | archaeogeek: | (gotta dash) |
| 19:06:09 | spatialguru: | cheers archaeogeek ! |
| 19:06:11 | FrankW_: | 8th is fine for me, I'm generally flexible. |
| 19:08:07 | archaeogeek: | OK- let's suggest 8th on list- bye! |
| 23:22:28 | rup3rt: | does anyone know how to populate OSM data into postgis here? |
| 23:23:24 | mmiranda_: | hi rup3rt |
| 23:23:33 | mmiranda_: | you can use osm2pgsql |
| 23:23:37 | mmiranda_: | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql |
| 23:23:38 | sigq: | Title: Osm2pgsql - OpenStreetMap Wiki (at wiki.openstreetmap.org) |
| 23:26:16 | rup3rt: | thanks mmiranda_ ang sigq |
| 23:26:20 | rup3rt: | ang/and |
| 23:26:38 | rup3rt: | I am currently using osm2pgsql and made a script here http://pastebin.com/CnzQhgWA |
| 23:26:39 | sigq: | Title: [Bash] osm2pgsql script - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) |
| 23:27:13 | rup3rt: | but i dont know if i will proceed with the nominatim installation because of this error: psql:gazetteer-functions.sql:2114: ERROR: type "planet_osm_ways" does not exist |
| 23:27:48 | rup3rt: | so do i need to create this table (planet_osm_ways)? before I run osm2pgsql? |
| 23:27:49 | mmiranda_: | rup3rt: sigq is a bot |
| 23:35:55 | rup3rt: | http://pastebin.com/qvJ61rqF |
| 23:35:56 | sigq: | Title: osm2pgsql script - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) |