| 12:14:21 | Jinxed-: | Hello |
| 12:15:04 | Jinxed-: | I'm very new to maps in general, but I have this application which I believe takes something called a shapefile. I was wondering if there was anyplace I could easily view/download shapefiles |
| 12:15:26 | Jinxed-: | I found this program called ArcGIS Explorer desktop |
| 12:15:40 | Jinxed-: | and I would be happy if I could just generate a shapefile of their "basemap" imagery |
| 13:48:22 | aghisla: | hi Jinxed-, there are some listed here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Public_Geospatial_Data_Project#References , http://www.geofabrik.de/data/shapefiles.html, http://publicdata.eu/ ... they are all open data. |
| 13:48:26 | sigq: | Title: Public Geospatial Data Project - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 13:51:35 | aghisla: | as viewer, try QGIS or gvSIG, they are open source, are much more than viewers, and easy and intuitive to use also for beginners. |
| 13:53:19 | aghisla: | you can also find this introduction useful, to learn the basics http://qgis.org/en/docs/gentle_gis_introduction/index.html |
| 13:53:20 | sigq: | Title: A Gentle Introduction to GIS (at qgis.org) |
| 19:53:07 | jachym: | ok, |
| 19:58:44 | CameronShorter: | according to my calendar, we have a board meeting here in 2 mins. |
| 19:58:52 | jachym: | I agree |
| 19:58:56 | CameronShorter: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2013-11-14 |
| 19:58:57 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2013-11-14 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 19:59:00 | jsanz: | hi |
| 20:00:26 | CameronShorter: | Hi, OSGeo Board meeting now. Starting with a role call: |
| 20:00:27 | CameronShorter: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2013-11-14 |
| 20:00:29 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2013-11-14 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 20:00:34 | CameronShorter: | Cameron here |
| 20:00:39 | jsanz: | Jorge here |
| 20:00:41 | aghisla: | Anne here |
| 20:01:06 | CameronShorter: | dmorissette? |
| 20:01:20 | | * jachym here |
| 20:01:26 | | * mdsmith observes |
| 20:01:34 | CameronShorter: | FrankW? FranW_PL? (I understand you might be late)? |
| 20:01:49 | jsanz: | djay? |
| 20:02:09 | | * dmorissette ready (tought it was one hours later) |
| 20:03:02 | CameronShorter: | jachym? |
| 20:03:03 | djay: | yes |
| 20:03:45 | | * jachym here again |
| 20:03:54 | aghisla: | what about Bart? |
| 20:04:00 | CameronShorter: | We do have a number of apologies: Jeff, Frank, Bart |
| 20:04:08 | | * dbb observes |
| 20:04:28 | CameronShorter: | With Jeff away, I'll volunteer to chair, if ok with all. |
| 20:04:37 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 20:04:39 | jachym: | +1 and thank you |
| 20:04:42 | CameronShorter: | Do we have a volunteer for scribe? |
| 20:04:47 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 20:04:53 | | * jachym can do it |
| 20:04:57 | djay: | +1 |
| 20:05:06 | dmorissette: | +1 jachym |
| 20:05:07 | aghisla: | argh, I'm too slow. thanks jachym |
| 20:05:17 | jsanz: | +1 jachym thanks |
| 20:06:09 | CameronShorter: | jsanz, could I impose on you to capture minutes for this meeting? |
| 20:06:28 | CameronShorter: | ah sorry, missed that jachym volunteer. |
| 20:06:31 | CameronShorter: | Thanks jachym. |
| 20:06:53 | jsanz: | :) |
| 20:06:55 | jachym: | you missed my lines for the second time today :-) |
| 20:06:56 | CameronShorter: | Proposal 1: Propose that we accept minutes from last meeting. |
| 20:07:06 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 20:07:08 | jachym: | +1 |
| 20:07:08 | CameronShorter: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2013-10-17 |
| 20:07:09 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2013-10-17 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 20:07:12 | aghisla: | +1 |
| 20:07:15 | CameronShorter: | +1 |
| 20:07:15 | djay: | +1 |
| 20:07:20 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 20:07:41 | CameronShorter: | jachym, very sorry, will read closer. |
| 20:08:07 | dbb: | Members of the Board, all. I will have to leave early, but I want to say one small piece about the 501c4. at your convenience |
| 20:08:21 | CameronShorter: | dbb, go ahead. |
| 20:08:38 | dbb: | I spoke with FrankW in person, shortly after receiving the distressing news |
| 20:08:52 | dbb: | .. since he is nearby now |
| 20:09:26 | dbb: | I agreed in principle to compile a list of events for a better record.. in addition to the other efforts.. it seems clear dmorissette has put huge effort in already |
| 20:09:42 | dmorissette: | list of events? |
| 20:09:56 | dbb: | then, the next day, a "60 day review" was brought up... |
| 20:10:10 | dbb: | yes, a list of events.. public record |
| 20:11:07 | dbb: | my motivation is to help ! dmorissette you seem tired of it, and I cant blame you.. I have a great deal of empathy for that |
| 20:11:37 | dbb: | my deaings with the IRS are not inspirational.. and others have stories about other country's tax agencies |
| 20:11:46 | CameronShorter: | dbb, FrankW suggested that you both have offered to help on 501c4. dmorissette, would help be of benefit? |
| 20:12:02 | dmorissette: | BTW, a bit of context for those who may not be aware yet: OSGeo received this week an "automatic revocation" letter for its 501c4 from the IRS for not filing 990s 3 years in a row. This revocation is effective May 15, 2013 which is *before* we got our 501c4 determination letter. I spoke to an IRS agent yesterday, explained the situation, they put in a request to review the decision and they will get back to us within 60 days… then based on the re |
| 20:14:00 | CameronShorter: | ping dmorissette? |
| 20:14:19 | dmorissette: | dbb: if you and Frank are able to help then that would be welcome. I guess for now we need to wait for the review of the decision unless you know of a better way to go |
| 20:14:22 | aghisla: | dmorissette: your message got cut at "then based on the " |
| 20:14:40 | dmorissette: | rest of the message: … then based on the reviewed decision we will either file the 990s, or have to file a request to have our 501c4 reinstated |
| 20:15:17 | dbb: | that was cut off.. can you see this? |
| 20:15:29 | | * jachym yes |
| 20:15:29 | CameronShorter: | dbb, thank you for your offer to help. I suggest taking discussion offline with dmorissette. |
| 20:15:31 | dbb: | ok |
| 20:15:38 | dmorissette: | agreed with taking discussions offline |
| 20:15:54 | | * FrankW_PL shows up, a bit late. |
| 20:16:01 | CameronShorter: | Any further discssion for 504c? |
| 20:16:12 | dbb: | ok - thx .. all for now from me.. much appreciated dmorissette |
| 20:16:15 | dmorissette: | my update above is all I have to say for now |
| 20:16:21 | CameronShorter: | Hi FrankW_PL. |
| 20:16:21 | dbb: | agree |
| 20:16:42 | dbb: | hi FrankW_PL I just made a short statement and I think we are wrapping that up for this meeting.. comments? |
| 20:17:03 | CameronShorter: | Frank, do you want to add to the 504c discussion at this point, otherwise take offline. |
| 20:17:08 | FrankW_PL: | Just reading back, I have nothing to add at this point. |
| 20:17:34 | CameronShorter: | Ok, next topic, contributor agreements. Does someone want to lead this? |
| 20:17:47 | jachym: | naturaly me |
| 20:18:03 | CameronShorter: | go ahead jachym. |
| 20:18:27 | jachym: | just short report: I have the hard copies and since FrankW_PL was keen on them, he (or anybody else) can drop by and I can show it |
| 20:18:50 | jachym: | I did not go through them yet carefully, but it really seems, there are 55 names missing |
| 20:19:35 | CameronShorter: | jachym, do you have a proposal for voting on? |
| 20:19:38 | jachym: | as FrankW_PL porinted out, maybe it does not harm, but it's very embarrassing situation IMHO |
| 20:19:42 | jsanz: | maybe we can at least notify the projects about the missing docs? |
| 20:20:03 | jachym: | I basically have no idea what to do on that, or whether to do anything |
| 20:20:25 | jachym: | (sorry for misspelling, hope you get my point) |
| 20:20:26 | CameronShorter: | Ok |
| 20:20:42 | jachym: | howg |
| 20:21:17 | CameronShorter: | Proposal: Send email to discuss noting current situation, and we are open to suggestions on how to move forward, but at the moment are not planning to do anything. |
| 20:21:47 | CameronShorter: | +1 |
| 20:21:59 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 20:22:05 | aghisla: | Maybe also to project officers. Jody keeps an updated list on the wiki, better to contact them, as jsanz said |
| 20:22:07 | aghisla: | and +1 |
| 20:22:10 | FrankW_PL: | +1 |
| 20:22:16 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 20:22:20 | djay: | +1 |
| 20:22:26 | CameronShorter: | +1 to Anne's addition. |
| 20:22:31 | jachym: | yah, I was going to say, Jody could be the contact person for this at first place |
| 20:22:47 | jachym: | ok +1 from me as well, ACTION item assigned to me for this |
| 20:23:03 | CameronShorter: | Thanks jachym. |
| 20:23:21 | CameronShorter: | Next item: Funds to develop a location privacy policy. |
| 20:23:40 | CameronShorter: | Anyone wish to lead discussion on this? |
| 20:23:46 | jsanz: | funny how "do a charter members map" evolved to this |
| 20:25:17 | CameronShorter: | I don't feel strongly on this topic, and am unconvinced that there is value to push it forward. |
| 20:25:27 | dmorissette: | same here. silence tells me lack of interest |
| 20:25:45 | CameronShorter: | I'd suggest that we would need a more concrete proposal before we would consider it. |
| 20:25:47 | jachym: | I do think, it's interesting and important topic |
| 20:26:05 | aghisla: | I think there are implications of publising such data, but am unsure on how to write a policy |
| 20:26:21 | CameronShorter: | In particular, it would require stated goals for the proposal, along with estimated cost. |
| 20:26:35 | mdsmith: | are there other policies out there we could adopt? |
| 20:26:37 | jachym: | and since OSGeo is do-cracy (as seven would point out), we should wait, till someone indicates, he want's to do it and than consider our support for that |
| 20:26:43 | aghisla: | either we rely on data that users voluntarily publish, but still.. not perfect |
| 20:27:06 | jsanz: | yes users are publishing their coords on the wiki |
| 20:27:08 | dmorissette: | I think Arnulf was suggesting seeking funding from external sources BTW, not OSGeo funding this, right? So this also means writing proposals to interested organiszations |
| 20:27:28 | aghisla: | hm |
| 20:28:02 | jsanz: | we already have a members map here http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Category:OSGeo_Member |
| 20:28:03 | sigq: | Title: Category:OSGeo Member - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 20:28:52 | jachym: | this was intedend for the contrubutors |
| 20:28:56 | jachym: | who signed agreement |
| 20:28:59 | jachym: | originally |
| 20:29:45 | CameronShorter: | Proposal: We do not address Privacy Policy points at this point, but rather wait until a solid proposal is presented to OSGeo board. |
| 20:29:47 | CameronShorter: | +1 |
| 20:30:17 | dmorissette: | do we need to vote? anyway +0 |
| 20:30:22 | dbb: | .. human law and custom has evolved over generations based on constraints of *local information*, the amount of time information lives, and how easily it moves.. Human civilaization has not caught up to an age where tiny, high precision information can be recorded *forever* and readable *by anyone* |
| 20:30:53 | dbb: | we are in a slow moving crisis due to a huge differential between technical ability and custom |
| 20:30:59 | dbb: | preadatory behavior is rampant |
| 20:31:05 | dbb: | human history shows it clearly.. |
| 20:31:11 | dbb: | <end/> |
| 20:31:30 | dmorissette: | T + 0:30 |
| 20:31:35 | CameronShorter: | Unless there is further to say on privacy, I'll move on. |
| 20:31:43 | jachym: | +1 |
| 20:31:46 | CameronShorter: | Next topic: FOSS4G update. |
| 20:31:55 | CameronShorter: | Anyone wish to talk to that? |
| 20:32:50 | dmorissette: | pramsey is our rep, but I guess he is not around |
| 20:33:01 | CameronShorter: | Ok, moving on. OTB entering incubation with Landon Blake as mentor, 7 in favour, none |
| 20:33:29 | dmorissette: | FYI since last board meeting I have sent 30k$ seed funding to the PDX LOC. That was after Jeff had signed the contract with the LOC. A note to the board list had already been sent to that effect |
| 20:33:47 | dmorissette: | that's it for me |
| 20:33:57 | CameronShorter: | ok |
| 20:33:59 | CameronShorter: | Motion: Propose to accept OTB entering incubation with support from incubation committee. |
| 20:34:02 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 20:34:04 | CameronShorter: | +1 |
| 20:34:06 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 20:34:06 | aghisla: | +1 |
| 20:34:14 | jachym: | +1 |
| 20:34:35 | FrankW_PL: | +1 |
| 20:34:40 | djay: | +1 |
| 20:34:49 | CameronShorter: | ok, passed. |
| 20:35:08 | CameronShorter: | Next: Decide what to do with sprint surplus from Cugos |
| 20:35:17 | CameronShorter: | Who'd like to talk to this? |
| 20:35:48 | | * racicot perks up ... but already stated his opinion on the mailing list |
| 20:35:54 | dmorissette: | I wrote my position on the list earlier today. I say we ask mpg to send it to Stephan Meissl, the organizer of the Vienna Sprint. No need for OSGeo global to interfere in this at this point |
| 20:36:27 | CameronShorter: | I agree with FrankW's email earlier: * I generally think that OSGeo should provide the service of holding money for things like the sprint when requested by those involved. I don't think that we should interfere in situations where things are already being handled to the satisfaction of those involved. |
| 20:36:52 | FrankW_PL: | So if Stephan is ready to receive it, there is no need for OSGeo to be in the middle. |
| 20:36:55 | aghisla: | that was the one I wanted to cite. |
| 20:37:54 | CameronShorter: | dmorissette, could you please write a motion for voting. |
| 20:38:03 | racicot: | as the acting leader of CUGOS at the moment... it makes me slightly uncomfortable to cut a check to an individual overseas without any way to track that that money does not violate our non-profit status (CUGOS, as a 501(c)6) |
| 20:38:33 | racicot: | I would be much more comfortable cutting the check to OSGeo |
| 20:38:43 | | * racicot shuts up |
| 20:38:48 | dmorissette: | racicot: ah! why did you not write that before? (what you wrote was completely different) |
| 20:39:21 | racicot: | it is not different than what i wrote... I don't think |
| 20:39:45 | racicot: | I think OSGeo should manage funds for events that they sponsor and act as the umbrella for |
| 20:39:47 | dmorissette: | You wrote that it was hard for some orgs to have to keep the surplus for up to two years and to behonest I didn't understand how hard that could be |
| 20:40:00 | dmorissette: | racicot: this event is not managed or owned by OSGeo |
| 20:40:17 | dmorissette: | it is a local initiative of C Tribe developers who happen to also be deepply involved in OSGeo |
| 20:40:20 | racicot: | that is also an issue... holding cash |
| 20:40:40 | dmorissette: | I havae no problem with OSGeo being involved, but until today that was never a need |
| 20:41:07 | racicot: | hmmm... |
| 20:41:08 | dmorissette: | If sending it to OSGeo makes you more comfortable then no objection from my side |
| 20:41:33 | racicot: | it would make me more comfortable |
| 20:42:14 | CameronShorter: | ok, dmorissette, do you wish to raise a motion for this? |
| 20:42:26 | racicot: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Code_Sprint_Guidelines clearly states that these are OSGeo events btw |
| 20:42:27 | sigq: | Title: Code Sprint Guidelines - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 20:42:30 | dmorissette: | Motion: OSGeo to accept handling the surplus from the C Tribe Code Sprint, to receive it from CUGOS and pass it on to future organizers as needed. This money will be earmarked for C Tribe Code Sprints only |
| 20:42:42 | aghisla: | I suppose OSGeo has no problems in moving the money, in its current (?) tax status. |
| 20:42:56 | | * jachym just noting, that if the cash should go to Stepah directly, he has mu full trust. But /me can understand racicot's feelings as well. |
| 20:43:31 | jachym: | +1 dmorissette |
| 20:43:33 | dmorissette: | racicot: can you sit on the money a few more weeks while we wait on the decision about our 501c4 (see earlier in meeting for context) |
| 20:43:52 | racicot: | dmorissette: totally... not a problem to hold a bit longer |
| 20:44:03 | dmorissette: | thx racicot |
| 20:44:08 | aghisla: | +1 then |
| 20:44:12 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 20:44:28 | dmorissette: | -1 on motion. will revisit later |
| 20:44:57 | dmorissette: | BTW, the page http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Code_Sprint_Guidelines is guidelines for sprints seeking funding from OSGeo. The C Tribe Sprint never asked OSGeo for funding |
| 20:44:57 | djay: | +1 |
| 20:44:58 | sigq: | Title: Code Sprint Guidelines - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 20:45:22 | CameronShorter: | Ok, for the moment, we will wait till 504c status is clarified. Correct? |
| 20:45:31 | dmorissette: | Correct. I withdraw the motion for now, until our 501c4 status is cleared up |
| 20:45:34 | jachym: | ok, so it's agenda for latest next board meeting, dmorissette takes action on this? |
| 20:46:08 | dmorissette: | I can take action, to get back to CUGOS when the 501c4 is resolved |
| 20:46:21 | CameronShorter: | ok, thanks dmoissette. |
| 20:46:21 | jachym: | ok, thanks |
| 20:47:04 | CameronShorter: | I think we are done. Any further discussion re 501c4? |
| 20:47:14 | dmorissette: | npe |
| 20:47:15 | dmorissette: | nope |
| 20:47:34 | CameronShorter: | Ok, any further topics for discussion before we wrap up? |
| 20:47:56 | CameronShorter: | Ah - next meeting. |
| 20:47:57 | | * jachym just noting, that did not fill his ACTION item from last meeting |
| 20:48:21 | jachym: | organize doodle for 3hours f2f (still virtual) meeting (probably Hangout) for "OSGeo priorities" discussion |
| 20:48:25 | jachym: | will do this time |
| 20:48:27 | aghisla: | Hm, there is the Drupal update that would free osgeo1 server, and discontinue it. I have no fresh news on it |
| 20:49:38 | FrankW_PL: | IAn is hoping to get back to this work soon. |
| 20:49:42 | FrankW_PL: | But it is still moving slowly. |
| 20:49:51 | aghisla: | CameronShorter and dmorissette asked the webcom team (Ian?) to come to the Board with a proposal, hope he'll be back soon with something we can vote on. |
| 20:50:12 | CameronShorter: | jachym, thanks for offering to set up doodle pole. I suggest that if we have a 3h f2f, that we won't need our normal monthly meeting as well. |
| 20:50:29 | jachym: | agree on that |
| 20:51:27 | CameronShorter: | jachym, I suggest f2f meeting should be in roughly 1 month, on 12 or 13 of December. |
| 20:52:03 | jachym: | ok, I take ACTION item on this again, similar time slot as this meeting, I assume (?) |
| 20:52:26 | aghisla: | fine for me |
| 20:52:38 | CameronShorter: | Ok, thanks aghisla for monitoring webcom. Will wait for proposal before taking action. |
| 20:53:13 | aghisla: | I think I'll see Ian next week at the foss4g wrap up in London, if so I will ask him directly |
| 20:53:29 | CameronShorter: | ok |
| 20:53:34 | dmorissette: | aghisla: +1 |
| 20:53:45 | aghisla: | .. and will tell all of you about the wrap up itself |
| 20:54:10 | CameronShorter: | final proposal: to close this meeting. |
| 20:54:12 | CameronShorter: | +1 |
| 20:54:17 | jachym: | +1 |
| 20:54:20 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 20:54:23 | dmorissette: | +1 |
| 20:54:24 | aghisla: | +1 |
| 20:54:31 | djay: | +1 |
| 20:54:45 | CameronShorter: | Thanks all for your attendance. |
| 20:54:53 | FrankW_PL: | +1 |
| 20:55:29 | CameronShorter: | Thanks jachym for taking minutes. |
| 20:55:50 | jachym: | thanks for your chairing |
| 20:57:37 | aghisla: | Ah, shall we set up the RFP for FOSS4G 2014 soon? |
| 20:58:27 | mdsmith: | aghisla: do you mean 2015? |
| 20:58:32 | aghisla: | aha, yes |
| 20:58:39 | mdsmith: | :) |
| 20:58:53 | FrankW_PL: | I had tried to drum up a chair for the conference commitee a while ago but it seems not to have been successful. |
| 20:59:09 | aghisla: | Let me bring fresh feedback from London next week |
| 20:59:11 | FrankW_PL: | I'd really like to have that committee working a bit more effectively to own things like this RFP task. |
| 20:59:28 | aghisla: | I'll try to fill the page that Bart created, with more notes |
| 20:59:51 | aghisla: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Rfp |
| 20:59:52 | sigq: | Title: Rfp - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 21:00:19 | aghisla: | and link it to lessons learned already written |
| 21:01:50 | aghisla: | on the conference list, there has already been a declaration of interest (is it a correct phrase?) from Korea, so I won't wait long to publish the 2015 RFP. |
| 21:23:27 | EliL: | Sao Paolo, Brazil was ready for 2014, I'm sure they are ready for 2015 |
| 22:56:19 | jgarnett: | so how was the board meeting? |