| 04:48:15 | astrodog: | I'm curious... has anyone here used IHS Petra? |
| 17:16:18 | vascobnunes: | hello all |
| 17:17:16 | vascobnunes: | what is the best way to programmaticaly join a .csv with a .shp? |
| 17:19:43 | darkblue_b: | what programming language? |
| 17:24:58 | vascobnunes: | python |
| 17:25:14 | vascobnunes: | or just in the command line would be fine |
| 17:25:53 | darkblue_b: | for python the fiona interface is very good |
| 17:29:45 | wildintellect: | hmm can ogr2ogr do a join? |
| 17:29:54 | wildintellect: | I've never really looked into into |
| 17:30:04 | wildintellect: | but yes fiona with python should be easy |
| 17:31:11 | vascobnunes: | wildintellect ogr2ogr can do it with -sql, but it takes a giga amout of time |
| 17:31:29 | wildintellect: | are the datasets big? |
| 17:31:30 | vascobnunes: | fiona, never heard about it? |
| 17:31:46 | wildintellect: | fiona is a wrapper around ogr to make it easier/faster |
| 17:32:06 | wildintellect: | from the same people as shapely |
| 17:32:07 | vascobnunes: | cool |
| 17:32:15 | vascobnunes: | let me look into it |
| 17:33:13 | vascobnunes: | yes, the datasets are big (100mb and 80k records) but I take 20seconds to do this in qgis |
| 17:39:05 | wildintellect: | kinda stuff I tend to use a db for |
| 17:39:27 | wildintellect: | but that only makes sense in cases where the db will be useful for other things |
| 17:43:21 | vascobnunes: | yes, not the case here |
| 17:43:39 | vascobnunes: | you use pip install for fiona |
| 17:43:40 | vascobnunes: | ? |
| 17:46:20 | wildintellect: | probably |
| 17:46:37 | wildintellect: | yes |
| 19:13:33 | | * aghisla waves |
| 19:13:51 | aghisla: | jmckenna: meeting in ~50 minutes, right? |
| 19:14:03 | jmckenna: | si si |
| 19:14:09 | aghisla: | :D |
| 19:14:14 | jmckenna: | :) |
| 19:58:53 | jmckenna: | hi all. time for the Board meeting. Agenda http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-05-15 |
| 19:58:54 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2014-05-15 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 19:59:21 | jsanz: | hi all |
| 19:59:33 | bartvde: | hi all |
| 19:59:45 | aghisla: | hi! |
| 20:00:06 | jmckenna: | let's start with a roll call. here! |
| 20:00:10 | bartvde: | here |
| 20:00:14 | | * aghisla waves |
| 20:00:31 | jsanz: | here |
| 20:01:03 | jmckenna: | we need one more for quorum |
| 20:01:07 | aghisla: | djay: are you there? |
| 20:01:08 | bartvde: | FrankW? |
| 20:01:15 | bartvde: | CameronShorter? |
| 20:01:31 | CameronShorter: | here |
| 20:01:44 | jmckenna: | great we can begin |
| 20:02:05 | jmckenna: | i can chair. can we have a scribe volunteer? (to record minutes) |
| 20:02:34 | jsanz: | I volunteer |
| 20:02:41 | bartvde: | thanks jsanz |
| 20:02:48 | jmckenna: | thanks |
| 20:03:08 | jmckenna: | item: Review and approve past minutes: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-04-10 |
| 20:03:09 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2014-04-10 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 20:03:45 | aghisla: | I move to approve past meeting's minutes. |
| 20:03:57 | bartvde: | +q |
| 20:03:58 | bartvde: | +1 |
| 20:04:00 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 20:04:03 | jmckenna: | +1 |
| 20:04:24 | CameronShorter: | +0 (I was not at last board meeting) |
| 20:04:34 | dmorissette: | sorry for being late |
| 20:04:47 | jmckenna: | welcome dmorissette |
| 20:04:57 | dmorissette: | (I was in another meeting that finished late) |
| 20:05:05 | bartvde: | we're voting to approve the last meeting minute notes dmorissette |
| 20:05:15 | jsanz: | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-04-10 |
| 20:05:16 | sigq: | Title: Board Meeting 2014-04-10 - OSGeo Wiki (at wiki.osgeo.org) |
| 20:05:29 | djay: | yes I'm here sorry |
| 20:05:33 | dmorissette: | +1 (I reviewed them already) |
| 20:05:48 | jmckenna: | next item: plan for next election (charter, board) |
| 20:06:09 | bartvde: | this is a tricky one |
| 20:06:16 | jmckenna: | phew, I added this one. It is a big issue. i mean we need a plan/volunteer. yes |
| 20:06:19 | bartvde: | since Arnulf basically said it's not possible anymore to do it manual |
| 20:06:59 | bartvde: | there was also a discussion on the procedure by Arnulf right? |
| 20:07:14 | jmckenna: | yes my item awoke him and he sent msgs |
| 20:07:32 | jmckenna: | it will be difficult to change the procedure |
| 20:07:50 | jmckenna: | but if we have a champion, anything can be done :) |
| 20:08:12 | bartvde: | I think we should e-mail discuss to ask for volunteers? |
| 20:08:24 | jsanz: | the issue is the job on collecting the votes, right? |
| 20:08:28 | bartvde: | yes |
| 20:08:57 | dmorissette: | for CRO, we need a trusted individual, any anonymous volunteer can't do it |
| 20:08:57 | bartvde: | basically it needs to be automated |
| 20:09:40 | jsanz: | automated but assuring the identity of the voters against a list of charter members |
| 20:09:54 | jmckenna: | i cringe at automated |
| 20:09:59 | aghisla: | trusted individuals tend to be already quite busy :) |
| 20:10:00 | jmckenna: | for that reason |
| 20:10:28 | jsanz: | do we know how it's done at other foundations/projects with as many participants? |
| 20:10:51 | astrodog: | If I might offer a suggestion... this is the sort of thing I frequently see organizations use legal for. |
| 20:10:51 | jmckenna: | person needs to work with our secretary (jachym) and get the emails and send |
| 20:10:51 | aghisla: | well, debian uses vote by mail with gpg signing |
| 20:11:01 | CameronShorter: | jsanz is there an open automated tool that we know of that can be used? |
| 20:11:43 | jsanz: | aghisla, ah yes, debian are educated people on that stuff :-) |
| 20:11:59 | jsanz: | CameronShorter, no idea |
| 20:12:52 | jmckenna: | we probably only have a month to get moving on this, or so |
| 20:12:55 | CameronShorter: | Without a solid proposal, I think we are not in a position to make a decision today. |
| 20:13:00 | bartvde: | is it compulsary for us to do charter member elections every year? |
| 20:14:33 | CameronShorter: | I’m open to saying anyone who wants to be a charter member can become one. They just need to agree to do agree with OSGeo set of principles and … |
| 20:15:03 | CameronShorter: | But this should be discussed on list first, we can vote on the decision next meeting. |
| 20:15:11 | aghisla: | isn't it the definition of member? |
| 20:15:23 | dmorissette: | next meeting we should be launching the election, using the old mechanism or a new one |
| 20:15:23 | bartvde: | yeah I've heard talk that this construction is used to prevent a violent take over CameronShorter? |
| 20:15:49 | jmckenna: | if everyone is too busy, i can take this on as well. it is important, i don't think it can wait |
| 20:16:13 | dmorissette: | jmckenna: take on what? election? changing the process? |
| 20:16:30 | jmckenna: | yes champion all that. someone needs to |
| 20:16:36 | jmckenna: | either or all |
| 20:16:40 | jmckenna: | examine it |
| 20:16:46 | jmckenna: | push |
| 20:16:49 | jmckenna: | etc |
| 20:17:03 | jmckenna: | or someone else volunteer :) please |
| 20:17:13 | jsanz: | jmckenna, I volunteer to help on the elections (old procedure or anything new) |
| 20:17:14 | dmorissette: | not sure it has to be someone from the boad |
| 20:17:20 | bartvde: | I honestly think it can't be manual anymore |
| 20:17:32 | CameronShorter: | Ok, to avoid a violent take over, we would want to ensure that anyone who joins aligns with an osgeo set of principles (along the lines of contributing toward an osgeo community) |
| 20:17:32 | bartvde: | Arnulf and someone else took so much time on it |
| 20:17:50 | jmckenna: | jsanz: i can help you as well if you wish. |
| 20:17:54 | aghisla: | bartvde: I agree but I have no solution ready |
| 20:18:11 | jsanz: | I'll need it for sure :) |
| 20:18:15 | jmckenna: | :) |
| 20:18:27 | FrankW: | Doh, I missed a board meeting, didn't I. |
| 20:18:34 | bartvde: | no only 19 min |
| 20:18:37 | bartvde: | FrankW |
| 20:19:06 | CameronShorter: | I’ll be happy to support jmckenna, jsanz in reviewing charter (by contributing thoughts to email thread) |
| 20:19:51 | jmckenna: | we'll need jachym too...contact lists etc |
| 20:20:04 | jmckenna: | CameronShorter: thanks! good team |
| 20:20:08 | jsanz: | sure |
| 20:20:46 | CameronShorter: | next? |
| 20:20:55 | jmckenna: | ok |
| 20:21:10 | jmckenna: | should record a task for the CRO team |
| 20:21:27 | jmckenna: | next item: Update on FOSS4G 2015 RFP |
| 20:21:29 | | * wildintellect without time to write a voting app, surveymonkey with private passworded links sent to chart member emails would work |
| 20:22:07 | jsanz: | wildintellect, yes I was thinking on something similar, will discuss by email, thanks |
| 20:22:17 | dmorissette: | Tyler did use surveymonkey in the past to handle election (I have no idea if that was a positive experience for him or not) |
| 20:22:33 | wildintellect: | it works fine |
| 20:22:49 | wildintellect: | and is cheap to pay for a 1 month subscription to get access to csv dumps |
| 20:22:59 | wildintellect: | but the free variant may work well enough |
| 20:23:40 | jmckenna: | bartvde: Update on FOSS4G 2015 RFP ? |
| 20:23:48 | bartvde: | yeah motion was passed on conf committee |
| 20:23:59 | bartvde: | Steven did raise one concern which I e-mailed to the board list |
| 20:24:06 | CameronShorter: | wildintellect, I’m ok to use surveymonkey if it works, we should search to see if there is an open source equivalent we can use as well. |
| 20:24:14 | bartvde: | I'm not sure how this is handled before in other conferences, wasn't osgeo liable for any losses before |
| 20:24:15 | bartvde: | ? |
| 20:24:20 | jmckenna: | thanks for managing that bart, very much. |
| 20:24:30 | wildintellect: | CameronShorter, we can easily write our own with django but that takes time |
| 20:24:44 | wildintellect: | I was trying to be expediant |
| 20:25:11 | dmorissette: | Any idea why Steven raised this concern? I didn't follow the conf committee, Was there much discussion about the proposal? did it look good/reasonable? or are we just taking it because we have no other option? |
| 20:25:30 | FrankW: | I was also surprised to see his comment,and would expect us to take on liability (with care). |
| 20:25:35 | bartvde: | everyone was positive, except that the scenarios might be on the optimistic side |
| 20:25:44 | bartvde: | me too FrankW |
| 20:25:47 | jmckenna: | I reviewed it thoroughly, gave Sanghee comments and questions. several did. |
| 20:25:53 | CameronShorter: | bartvde, osgeo wore the liability of the foss4g 2009 conference (that I chaired). (I was very nervous that if we didn’t make budget, we would put osgeo out of business) |
| 20:26:01 | FrankW: | Note there is still a budget approval phase at which point we would consider liability and costs more carefully. |
| 20:26:27 | bartvde: | good point FrankW |
| 20:26:36 | bartvde: | when does that phase happen? |
| 20:26:47 | bartvde: | i.e. is it scheduled? |
| 20:26:51 | FrankW: | Presumably shortly after approval of the site. The sooner the better. |
| 20:27:08 | FrankW: | In particulare, we shouldn't be signing venue contracts till the board has approved such a budget. |
| 20:27:41 | bartvde: | it seemed to me they would be signing the contracts? I might have misunderstood though |
| 20:28:00 | jmckenna: | dmorissette: the proposal was examined closely. so much so the Conf Comm comments caused a venue change. which is a good thing in the end. the Conf Comm did a good job |
| 20:28:08 | FrankW: | Well, if they are signing them with us liable, then we are supposed to already have agreed on a budget. |
| 20:28:11 | CameronShorter: | I think Korea has a good proposal, and am very happy with the team behind it. I voiced concerns about being over-optimistic about how many international attendees would come. |
| 20:29:55 | dmorissette: | Do they have a professional conf organizer that would handle all the contracting and financial aspects? (PDX had overlooked that) |
| 20:30:00 | jmckenna: | yes |
| 20:30:01 | bartvde: | yes they have |
| 20:30:08 | jmckenna: | they are talking to one now |
| 20:30:13 | CameronShorter: | I’m +1 on accepting the Korean proposal for foss4g 2015, under the proviso that the budget is revisited and concerns raised are considered. |
| 20:30:35 | bartvde: | Is that a motion CameronShorter ;-) ? |
| 20:30:36 | jmckenna: | Sanghee operated FOSS4G-KR each year already and is well experienced |
| 20:30:47 | FrankW: | I am also very supportive. |
| 20:30:50 | bartvde: | me too |
| 20:31:15 | aghisla: | me too |
| 20:31:24 | dmorissette: | +0 at this point (just because I didn't follow the review of the proposals) |
| 20:31:28 | CameronShorter: | Motion: accept the Korean proposal for foss4g 2015, under the proviso that the budget is revisited and concerns raised are considered. |
| 20:31:32 | bartvde: | +1 |
| 20:31:33 | CameronShorter: | +1 |
| 20:31:40 | jmckenna: | +1 (thanks bart) |
| 20:31:44 | jsanz: | +1 |
| 20:31:45 | dmorissette: | +0 |
| 20:31:48 | aghisla: | +1 |
| 20:31:53 | FrankW: | +1 |
| 20:32:30 | jmckenna: | djay: ? |
| 20:32:42 | djay: | +1 |
| 20:33:06 | jmckenna: | well congrats Sanghee and team! thanks again to the Conf Committee |
| 20:33:18 | bartvde: | do we need to prepare a news item? |
| 20:33:33 | jmckenna: | yes! |
| 20:34:00 | jmckenna: | usually i ask them though...if they want to wait for a website shell to be there...or to proceed without |
| 20:34:19 | jmckenna: | bart can you talk to sanghee about that? |
| 20:34:23 | bartvde: | sure |
| 20:34:27 | jmckenna: | thanks |
| 20:34:49 | CameronShorter: | Yes, I suggest we invite Sanghee to contribute towards press release, I’m happy to review and contribute toward press release. |
| 20:35:13 | jmckenna: | good plan |
| 20:35:25 | jmckenna: | next item: Request from OGC to possibly help with hosting the CITE infrastructure |
| 20:35:28 | CameronShorter: | I suggest that the press release should come from the osgeo president. Jeff you ok to provide a quote? |
| 20:35:43 | jmckenna: | CameronShorter: yes no problem |
| 20:36:12 | bartvde: | so does it still make sense for me to contact them, or one of you will do it? |
| 20:36:33 | wildintellect: | bartvde, I'm fine delegating it to you - I don't have time |
| 20:36:43 | CameronShorter: | bartvde, please contact, and cc conference committee |
| 20:36:47 | jmckenna: | bartvde: you did all the hard work. you deserve to tell Sanghee the news. CC me and i can help with release |
| 20:36:57 | wildintellect: | oh mixed conversation |
| 20:37:02 | bartvde: | ok |
| 20:37:11 | jmckenna: | k |
| 20:37:24 | wildintellect: | jmckenna, OGC - we need the full details dicussed on the SAC list |
| 20:37:34 | jmckenna: | CITE / Team Engine request was discussed on SAC / Incubation list |
| 20:37:39 | dmorissette: | not sure if there is any action item required about OGC hosting: they are looking for orgs interested in hosting some services for them, and I don't think we're in the business of hosting stuff for other orgs. The CITE TEAM engine is already stalled in incubation due to lack of a community around the project (my impression confirmed by Josh Lieberman on list), so I don't think we can provide the blood that the project is lacking |
| 20:37:46 | FrankW: | I don't mind us hosting some stuff, but we aren't the most savvy at it in the world. |
| 20:37:49 | wildintellect: | jmckenna, I saw a notice not a discussion |
| 20:38:16 | jmckenna: | dmorissette: i'd agree with you |
| 20:38:24 | wildintellect: | they want us just to host Team Engine? |
| 20:38:26 | bartvde: | yes I agree as well |
| 20:38:26 | CameronShorter: | +1 to dmorissette |
| 20:38:34 | dmorissette: | longer version of my thoughts and the rest of the thread at http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/standards/2014-May/000780.html |
| 20:38:35 | sigq: | Title: [OSGeo-Standards] [Incubator] Fwd: TEAM Engine and CITE infrastructure [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] (at lists.osgeo.org) |
| 20:38:57 | wildintellect: | they could always ask osuosl to host them |
| 20:39:11 | jmckenna: | wildintellect: interesting |
| 20:39:28 | jmckenna: | wildintellect: maybe i'll let Luiz/OGC know that idea |
| 20:39:48 | jmckenna: | and relay dmorissette/Incubator thoughts |
| 20:39:51 | FrankW: | To the extent they are an OSGeo project, I don't see why they couldn't just request support from SAC and SAC can decide. I'm not sure why this needs to be a board level discussion. |
| 20:40:20 | wildintellect: | jmckenna, yes if they are osgeo project that would fall under us |
| 20:40:21 | bartvde: | btw, does anyone have a reference to a previous press release where the FOSS4G location was announced, can't seem to find one through Google |
| 20:40:22 | jmckenna: | i'm fine with deferring this item to SAC |
| 20:40:54 | wildintellect: | who's the poing of contact, can we get Luis from OGC onto the SAC list to discuss |
| 20:40:58 | jmckenna: | however it is the OGC and i thought the Board should be aware, all Board members not just those on SAC..sorry if that sounds alarming ha. that was my reason for discussing with everyone |
| 20:41:06 | dmorissette: | (actually, I don't think it's hosting as much as a community to keep the beast alive that they need) |
| 20:41:14 | djay: | I have to mention that I am currently hosting the WPS Benchmarking test server, this is not directly related to general OGC testing but may become... |
| 20:41:21 | jmckenna: | sometimes i feel, some items are important for the Board (eg. OGC relations) |
| 20:41:33 | wildintellect: | dmorissette, I agree mostly with that email you linked |
| 20:41:46 | dmorissette: | they have an offer from locationtech anyway, they can take it if locationtech has time to spend on it |
| 20:41:47 | wildintellect: | we also host the csw reference implementation test service |
| 20:41:48 | CameronShorter: | FrankW, I’m nervous about maxing out our sys-admin team with expectiions that OGC provide. I suggest that we explain to OGC that there are better options for hosting CITE than can be provided by osgeo volunteers. |
| 20:42:10 | wildintellect: | CameronShorter, I'm hesitant if it does not come with funds |
| 20:42:19 | wildintellect: | and or admins |
| 20:42:34 | FrankW: | Well, it would be best if there was at least someone from the project willing to do the bulk of the work. |
| 20:42:34 | CameronShorter: | wildintellect, agreed |
| 20:42:43 | wildintellect: | in general we have a odd relationship with our current projects and funding of SAC missions |
| 20:42:53 | FrankW: | ? |
| 20:43:09 | wildintellect: | some projects are almost 100% independent of osgeo infrastructure |
| 20:43:10 | FrankW: | OSGeo funds modest system services as a service to the projects. |
| 20:43:24 | FrankW: | Ah, yes, well that is up to the projects. |
| 20:43:27 | wildintellect: | some are mixed |
| 20:43:49 | wildintellect: | sure, the trouble I'm finding is we lack critical mass if not enough projects partake and help |
| 20:44:31 | FrankW: | That is certainly an issue. |
| 20:44:41 | jmckenna: | i guess the transition page becomes important here regarding that |
| 20:44:56 | jmckenna: | (funds etc) |
| 20:45:02 | wildintellect: | my only point on that, is I hit a wall with no easy to contact all projects |
| 20:45:21 | wildintellect: | I don't have time to individually update/contact the liason from every project |
| 20:45:46 | jmckenna: | wildintellect: interesting. JodyG mentioned that as well. |
| 20:45:57 | CameronShorter: | I’d suggest that OSGeo can pay for hardware for a project, but the project should be expected to provide volunteers to maintain their environment. I don’t think OGC have a full understanding of the amount of effort required to get the level of quality of service they require. |
| 20:46:06 | wildintellect: | FrankW, the big concern is if all the big projects go there own - then we'll be left with abandoned projects and small projects |
| 20:46:11 | wildintellect: | not terribly useful |
| 20:46:21 | aghisla: | wildintellect: yup |
| 20:46:40 | jmckenna: | CameronShorter: true, they are not aware of the work behind it. good point |
| 20:46:41 | wildintellect: | fdo and mapguide are kinda abandonware right now as far as their websites |
| 20:47:42 | jmckenna: | i think OSGeo has enough work for a few fulltime employees (no past reference meant)...just that is how much work we have (infrastructure, policy, etc) |
| 20:48:08 | wildintellect: | probably so , if we continue to run our own hardware |
| 20:48:26 | wildintellect: | as opposed to just paying for prebuilt services |
| 20:48:31 | CameronShorter: | I suggest that a message be sent to OGC stating that we the board agree with the email sent by Daniel to them. (And that we suggest they look for an alternative hosting provider - such as sourceforge or google) |
| 20:48:36 | jmckenna: | plus we are approaching our busy event season. yikes |
| 20:48:52 | wildintellect: | CameronShorter, neither of those meet their needs |
| 20:49:21 | wildintellect: | CameronShorter, I would phrase it as we are interested in collaborating with them on cohosting |
| 20:49:24 | astrodog: | It seems like the OGC decision would also have a lot to do with what OSGeo wants to do going forward. Working with OGC on this sort of thing could be very useful *if* OSGeo wants to go that route and be more involved in OGC. |
| 20:50:11 | FrankW: | astrodog: I feel that way too, that it would be something nice we could do to contribute to standards. |
| 20:50:13 | wildintellect: | I think we want to work with OGC on this, but really don't have the people power to make it happen unless OGC comes to the table with something |
| 20:50:33 | CameronShorter: | agreed |
| 20:50:36 | jmckenna: | maybe we say that exactly wildintellect |
| 20:50:46 | astrodog: | wild: What do you have in mind? |
| 20:50:53 | wildintellect: | I leave it open if that means $ or people time |
| 20:51:17 | jgarnett: | I am present if my input is needed. |
| 20:51:37 | wildintellect: | if they want to fund part of the "fire crew" that could be enough to free up resources to support more stuff |
| 20:51:54 | jmckenna: | true |
| 20:51:58 | wildintellect: | or they can buy our new hardware and we'll shift the funds we would have spent on that to pay for some people time |
| 20:52:07 | aghisla: | makes sense |
| 20:52:28 | dmorissette: | wildintellect: we do have $$ to support SAC, we just need to find the fair way to get it to the right people |
| 20:52:37 | astrodog: | wild: It could also simply be handled as a... best effort thing. If they don't put up resources, then the quality of service would be much lower than if they do. |
| 20:52:39 | wildintellect: | dmorissette, I'm aware |
| 20:52:53 | wildintellect: | astrodog, that is a very true statement |
| 20:53:01 | astrodog: | Then let them make the call on the trade off between resources and quality. |
| 20:53:34 | CameronShorter: | We shouldn’t offer low quality, it leaves a bad taste for everyone. |
| 20:53:42 | jmckenna: | amen |
| 20:53:44 | dmorissette: | T + 0:55 |
| 20:53:45 | wildintellect: | we're just in a pickle until we actually buy new hardware or shift some services |
| 20:54:16 | bartvde: | next item? |
| 20:54:22 | astrodog: | Cameron: I wasn't thinking of... low quality in terms of bad or non-functional services. I was thinking of low quality in terms of the difference between "Here's a box, have fun." and "Which services do you need set up again?" |
| 20:54:26 | wildintellect: | I should probably convene a SAC meeting later this month to discuss |
| 20:54:30 | jgarnett: | Who is in position to give CITE the indication that better hosting is available elsewhere? And clarification that it does not harm their incubation prospects? |
| 20:54:48 | jgarnett: | There mentor Justin is their official point of contact, but as far as I can tell they have not contacted him. |
| 20:55:08 | dmorissette: | jgarnett: I think you wrote that in an email, and in my opinion that was the right message |
| 20:55:40 | jmckenna: | it seems we cannot solve in time. |
| 20:55:42 | jmckenna: | darn |
| 20:55:44 | jgarnett: | So if this is already accomplished we can move on to the next agenda topic. |
| 20:55:46 | jmckenna: | moving to next iem |
| 20:56:13 | jmckenna: | next item: what to do with lack of volunteers on incubation? |
| 20:56:27 | bartvde: | jgarnett voiced some concerns to me, maybe he can clarify? |
| 20:56:39 | jgarnett: | bartvde: this was your agenda addition, I am doing the best I can - but a bit sad for lack of participation. |
| 20:56:56 | bartvde: | right, I wanted to bring the discussion up to the board, so they are aware |
| 20:56:59 | jmckenna: | not sure who wrote that. but you can sub "incubation" with all of our committees. each one, is getting more sparse. sometimes i feel that it is me and wildintellect working :) |
| 20:57:06 | jgarnett: | my concern was that the incubation committee remain viable. |
| 20:57:12 | jmckenna: | it is a concern indeed |
| 20:57:36 | wildintellect: | perhaps not enough reward for investment of time |
| 20:57:41 | jmckenna: | perhaps |
| 20:57:57 | bartvde: | one thing I suggested to jgarnett was to ask projects to bring money to the table for incubation, so volunteers could be rewarded |
| 20:58:04 | jgarnett: | remain viable = muster up enough participation to pass a motion. |
| 20:58:12 | jmckenna: | in general we do have problems of volunteers..or the same 10 or so always |
| 20:58:22 | FrankW: | ugg, I don't like the idea of getting money involved. |
| 20:58:30 | bartvde: | right, and adding more charter members does not seem to fix the lack of volunteers |
| 20:58:30 | CameronShorter: | Motion re CITE: State to OGC: OSGeo always welcomes the Oportunity to work with OGC. With regards to the CITE project, we are not geared to provide the level of service that would be required for CITE, unless OGC were to contribute in a sustaining manner toward the service. If OGC wish to move forward in this regard, we can discuss details. OGC are welcome to consider other options outside of OSGeo and continue with OSGe |
| 20:58:31 | CameronShorter: | incubation if they wish to do so. |
| 20:58:32 | jgarnett: | well perhaps not volunteers (i.e. mentors), but making it an ongoing cost is a creative idea? |
| 20:58:42 | dmorissette: | -1 on the money idea as all unless I misunderstood |
| 20:59:24 | dmorissette: | CameronShorter: +1 |
| 20:59:35 | jgarnett: | So no firm answer, incubation committee has managed to pass one motion, but did not manage to accept a project into incubation. |
| 21:00:06 | | * FrankW is drawn towards a satellite re-entry drinking opportunity... |
| 21:00:07 | wildintellect: | CameronShorter, +1 |
| 21:00:11 | aghisla: | CameronShorter: +1 |
| 21:00:44 | dmorissette: | jmckenna: agreed that most committees suffer of the same syndrome as SAC… possibly an indication that new blood is needed in the core of the community… maybe the charter member list is the first place to look for ideas on how to get them more involved? |
| 21:00:44 | jmckenna: | CameronShorter: who sends that message? |
| 21:01:02 | jsanz: | CameronShorter, +1 |
| 21:01:04 | astrodog: | Part of the issue, imo, is one of marketing. It's not until very recently that I was even aware of how OSGeo is governed. OSGeo's projects are used all over the place, and I think people may be... intimidated away from getting involved, or worse, have no idea that they can. |
| 21:01:16 | jmckenna: | dmorissette: interesting, yes there are lots of energetic charter members, not sure of how to get involved |
| 21:01:58 | aghisla: | astrodog: I see the point, and several people feel intimidated by osgeo complexity, when in the backstage it is more simple than it seems |
| 21:02:07 | CameronShorter: | jmckenna, I’m happy to send the message, following on from existing email thread. |
| 21:02:23 | astrodog: | The only thing that got me here is experience with larger open source projects like FreeBSD... where it turns out just jumping in works. |
| 21:02:24 | dmorissette: | astrodog: I agree, it's hard to break this intimidation barried and to make individuals realize that they are ewlcome to the game as much as the older guys who were there since day one … it's hard to pass that message efficiently |
| 21:02:28 | astrodog: | A lot of people won't make that leap. |
| 21:02:30 | jmckenna: | CameronShorter: sure that works for me |
| 21:03:06 | jgarnett: | as for new blood, is it worth disolving non functioning committees and asking them to start again? |
| 21:03:21 | jgarnett: | it would provide less surface area for possible volunteers. |
| 21:03:22 | FrankW: | blech, I don't see how that helps. |
| 21:03:37 | jmckenna: | jgarnett: i was already thinking that in fact (sorry frank). Board as well |
| 21:03:40 | wildintellect: | more just need to make it more obvious how easy it is participate |
| 21:03:43 | jgarnett: | easier to attract volunteers to starting something new. |
| 21:03:52 | astrodog: | dmorissette: For what it's worth... even large companies are somewhat intimidated by OSGeo. I've got clients that don't get involved, simply because they don't understand that it's just an e-mail away. |
| 21:03:58 | jmckenna: | i mean thinking of some way to get local chapter leaders more involved |
| 21:03:59 | astrodog: | They expect it to be... complicated. |
| 21:04:10 | wildintellect: | possibly with messages about volunteering coordinated across project websites |
| 21:04:13 | CameronShorter: | astrodog: good points, I’d encourage you to build upon them - probably starting os osgeo discuss email list (as we are running out of time now) |
| 21:04:32 | jmckenna: | difficult topic |
| 21:04:38 | jgarnett: | okay lets be a bit more straight forward, want to do a series of blog post interviews with committee chaos along the "how to get involved in OSGeo" line? |
| 21:04:49 | wildintellect: | cant hurt |
| 21:04:55 | jgarnett: | committee chairs, chaos is a good auto correct |
| 21:04:59 | bartvde: | :) |
| 21:05:05 | jmckenna: | ha |
| 21:05:07 | aghisla: | jgarnett: I like the idea |
| 21:05:12 | aghisla: | (of the chaos) |
| 21:05:49 | jmckenna: | last item: update on Directors&Officers liability insurance renewal for 2013-14 |
| 21:06:02 | jgarnett: | okay are we going to get an action item out of this discussion, or should we close out the meeting. |
| 21:06:21 | CameronShorter: | I’m going to need to leave in ~ 5 mins. |
| 21:06:25 | dmorissette: | The last item on the agenda "update on Directors&Officers liability insurance renewal for 2013-14" was just to inform board that the Directors & Officers insurance policy was renewed on May 13 for another year under the same terms. Nothing t discuss here, just an information point. |
| 21:06:30 | astrodog: | I suspect the trick will be finding people who are genuinely enthusiastic about what OSGeo does. I've always had luck on the BSD side, by showing neat things you can use the projects to do, and asking for ideas for what's next. The people who are really into it make themselves known. |
| 21:06:41 | astrodog: | I'm terribly lagged. I'll come up with a mailing list post. |
| 21:07:02 | jmckenna: | dmorissette: it's an important point. thanks for renewing that daniel. it is important that we are all covered. thanks |
| 21:07:22 | aghisla: | thanks dmorissette |
| 21:07:44 | CameronShorter: | astrodog, looking forward to your email. What is your real name? |
| 21:07:52 | astrodog: | Harrison Grundy |
| 21:08:49 | CameronShorter: | jmckenna, anything else to cover? Next meeting time? |
| 21:08:52 | jmckenna: | next meeting time |
| 21:08:55 | jmckenna: | yes sorry |
| 21:09:11 | bartvde: | 12 June? |
| 21:09:16 | jmckenna: | 12 June yes!~ |
| 21:09:20 | aghisla: | June.. |
| 21:09:27 | jmckenna: | second thursday |
| 21:09:28 | jmckenna: | ? |
| 21:09:29 | dmorissette: | worksforme |
| 21:09:38 | jsanz: | for me too |
| 21:09:46 | CameronShorter: | same time? |
| 21:09:46 | dmorissette: | same time? |
| 21:09:55 | jmckenna: | sorry for the long meeting. wanted to let discussion happen. same time works! |
| 21:09:58 | aghisla: | works for me |
| 21:10:04 | bartvde: | for me as well |
| 21:10:30 | jmckenna: | meeting closed! |
| 21:10:47 | jmckenna: | bart thanks for the sanghee email...he'll awake to the news! |
| 21:11:09 | bartvde: | cool |
| 21:11:29 | bartvde: | see you next time |
| 21:11:45 | FrankW: | later all |
| 21:11:48 | djay: | bye all |
| 21:11:52 | jsanz: | see you, bye! |
| 21:11:59 | jmckenna: | bye all. see some of you in Bremen soon! |
| 21:12:09 | aghisla: | bye and thanks astrodog, wildintellect and jgarnett for participation |
| 21:12:19 | jgarnett: | ciao |
| 21:12:53 | dmorissette: | buhbyela |
| 21:13:02 | jmckenna: | ha buhbyela! |
| 21:13:06 | dmorissette: | buhbyela is like ACK for closing board meeting :) |
| 21:13:15 | FrankW: | :-) |
| 21:13:19 | dmorissette: | (only admins got that one :) 0 |
| 21:13:25 | astrodog: | See ya. |
| 21:13:30 | jmckenna: | i'd have to google it. ha bye |
| 21:14:01 | dmorissette: | jmckenna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acknowledgement_%28data_networks%29 |
| 21:14:02 | sigq: | Title: Acknowledgement (data networks) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) |
| 21:14:26 | jmckenna: | dmorissette: phew. deep admin stuff for sure |
| 21:14:31 | jmckenna: | :) |
| 21:14:41 | jmckenna: | kidding i get it i do! ha |
| 21:15:13 | jmckenna: | thanks :) |