#OSGEO Log: 2017-11-02

13:54:44kalxas:board meeting in 6 mins
13:59:51normanb:I have joined for the board meeting
14:00:00kalxas:hi normanb
14:00:04kalxas:welcome
14:00:15normanb:Hi :)
14:00:21delawen:Hi
14:00:26kalxas:hi all
14:00:35jgarnett:looks like a really full agenda today
14:00:46kalxas:lets start the board meeting
14:00:55kalxas:https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-11-02
14:00:56sigq:Title: Board Meeting 2017-11-02 - OSGeo (at wiki.osgeo.org)
14:00:56jmckenna:hi all
14:01:06kalxas:roll call
14:01:08vcraciunescu:hi all
14:01:12* kalxas Angelos here
14:01:13jgarnett:jody here
14:01:15jmckenna:wow, huge agenda for 60min :)
14:01:30jmckenna:jeff mckenna here
14:01:33kalxas:I guess we will need another meeting within Nov
14:01:50vcraciunescu:vcraciunescu: here
14:02:00jgarnett:nov / dec is crunch time; and a bit of a rough start for our new members
14:02:20helena_:helena:here
14:02:30kalxas:5 out of 9 so far
14:02:45kalxas:we have quorum
14:02:52maria:hi!
14:02:57jgarnett:so we make quorum, would you like to chair kalxas?
14:03:11kalxas:yes jgarnett thanks
14:03:25jgarnett:I guess I will scribe
14:03:29kalxas:any volunteers for scribe?
14:03:36kalxas:ah, thanks jgarnett
14:03:44kalxas:appoint meeting chair, meeting scribe/secretary
14:03:48kalxas:done
14:04:03kalxas:next item: Review action items from previous meeting
14:04:08kalxas:https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-10-05
14:04:09sigq:Title: Board Meeting 2017-10-05 - OSGeo (at wiki.osgeo.org)
14:04:10jgarnett:(if I can ask we cap at an hour; since there was enthusiasm to book a second meeting in november)
14:04:13msmitherdc[m]:sorry i'm late
14:04:25jmckenna:there is a rule we have used in past boards, it was informed to me from european members: if a meeting occurs without a president, ...there is a rule..."oldest member present chairs" Can someone refresh me on that rule?
14:04:28delawen:one hour and a second meeting is fine for me
14:04:34* jgarnett actions:
14:04:44jgarnett:- Jeff McKenna to send the Project Review document to the Board.
14:04:44jgarnett:- Vasile and Angelos to follow up on Europe bank account and request for travel support as necessary
14:04:46jgarnett:- Jody to see who could not make the AGM, and we can sort out contacting those projects on the board email list
14:04:46jgarnett:- Angelos to join the SAC meeting to report back progress on website.
14:05:19kalxas:hi msmitherdc[m] maria delawen
14:05:36maria:one hour and a second meeting is fine for me
14:05:37kalxas:8 out of 9
14:05:54jgarnett:jmckenna: not aware of rule from bylaws; we have been asking at the start of each meeting.
14:06:26jmckenna:this is likely the first time this has happened for this board. yes, this has happened before
14:06:40jmckenna:this was informed to me here during board meetings
14:06:45jmckenna:sorry, i don;t have logs
14:06:48jmckenna:please proceed
14:07:09jgarnett:think we covered it in the orientation session
14:07:21jgarnett:(sorry for the noise kalxas please proceed with meeting)
14:07:49maria:shall we decide if it is ok one hour and a second meeting is fine for me
14:07:49kalxas:I am ok to discuss the chair situation if there are objections to me being chair today
14:08:08maria:sorry for us
14:08:08msmitherdc[m]:none objections from me
14:08:15jmckenna:kalxas: no objections. however past boards informed me on that rule
14:08:16kalxas:maria, +1 to one hour meeting
14:08:22helena_:thanks for chairing kalxas
14:08:33jmckenna:no objections at all. we are just volunteers. however there is some rule, ha.
14:08:40jmckenna:+1
14:08:53msmitherdc[m]:i have not heard of that rule before
14:09:03kalxas:jmckenna, can you please point us to that rule?
14:09:11jmckenna:yes...could be the longest current member serving...oldest
14:09:11helena_:Jeff we rotated in chairing, I don't think there is a rule
14:09:13jmckenna:there was a rule
14:09:14jgarnett:to return to adgenda - update on action items:
14:09:16jgarnett:Jeff McKenna to send the Project Review document to the Board.
14:09:16jgarnett:Vasile and Angelos to follow up on Europe bank account and request for travel support as necessary
14:09:17jgarnett:Jody to see who could not make the AGM, and we can sort out contacting those projects on the board email list
14:09:18kalxas:and if so, who is considered the oldest member?
14:09:18jgarnett:Angelos to join the SAC meeting to report back progress on website.
14:09:30jmckenna:ok sorry i was just asking
14:09:38jgarnett:european bank account? any update ...
14:09:40msmitherdc[m]:i would probably be the oldest in terms of age
14:09:46vcraciunescu:nope…
14:09:47delawen_:why do we need an european bank account?
14:09:47jmckenna:unsure. at the time it was venka
14:09:52jmckenna:anyway, it was not my rule
14:10:03vcraciunescu:Me and Maria had an attempt but was not possible in the end
14:10:27jmckenna:yes i think it was age
14:10:39jmckenna:but again, this was pointed out to me.
14:10:45jmckenna:not my rule
14:10:52maria:sorry: can we have a ordered discussion?
14:10:53msmitherdc[m]:delawen: we have funds from foss4g2016 and it was that that we should keep some funds in europe to make some european financial transactions simpler. avoid exchange costs etc
14:11:08kalxas:ok, msmitherdc[m] would you like to take over as chair?
14:11:12delawen_:makes sense
14:11:20msmitherdc[m]:it was thought
14:11:45msmitherdc[m]:not particularly, kalxas, you're good
14:11:49jmckenna:same
14:11:58jmckenna:kalaxas please proceed
14:12:02kalxas:ok thanks
14:12:18kalxas:previous action items: Vasile and Angelos to follow up on Europe bank account and request for travel support as necessary
14:12:30kalxas:vcraciunescu, did you try with Maria for this?
14:12:46jgarnett:euopean bank account was being set up as we have some european funds, this would allow us to avoid paying transfrer feeds and exchange
14:12:48vcraciunescu:we were both in Italy at some point
14:12:54vcraciunescu:was just a discussion
14:13:08vcraciunescu:but we did not overlap in the end
14:13:13kalxas:actually any 2 board members meeting in Europe could handle that
14:13:38kalxas:the previous board did not decide the country to set up the account
14:13:45jmckenna:maybe during the code sprint in march?
14:13:53kalxas:so we are free to decide if we want a specific place
14:14:00vcraciunescu:I will be in Germany next week… maybe Astrid will be around
14:14:01kalxas:jmckenna, that could be done
14:14:15kalxas:I will be in Tallinn next week
14:14:50vcraciunescu:I was thinking in going to Tallin myself. I had to cancel that
14:14:52kalxas:Estonia is a good place to get an account
14:14:55msmitherdc[m]:i do have new online wire transfer capabilities through xe.com that has no wire transfer costs, and better exchange rates than our bank now. So while i think this is still important, its not an immediately useful as before
14:15:24jmckenna:msmitherdc[m]: great news of that service
14:15:41msmitherdc[m]:this is still something that would be good for osgeo, especially with advance funding for 2019 coming up
14:16:04jgarnett:and foss4g 2016 funds
14:16:07jmckenna:also Summer of Code payments, etc
14:16:15kalxas:I guess that at the latest this could be set up in the code sprint in Bonn then
14:16:42vcraciunescu:I propose to European members to share our travel calendar
14:16:49kalxas:vcraciunescu, +1
14:16:58jgarnett:or coordinate on the email list
14:17:03maria:vcraciunescu, +1
14:17:07jmckenna:+1
14:17:08kalxas:next action: Jeff McKenna to send the Project Review document to the Board.
14:17:38kalxas:jmckenna, any updates on that?
14:17:45jmckenna:this is not done. i think it is a 60+ page google doc. should be ported to the wiki.
14:18:13jmckenna:(before i lose the doc somehow)
14:18:17kalxas:I was thinking to start asking project officers to join our meetings, perhaps start with next meeting
14:18:20jmckenna:i will work with maxi on this
14:18:24jmckenna:it will take teamwork
14:18:28kalxas:thanks jmckenna
14:18:34jgarnett:kalxas: good idea, and also subject of the next action item.
14:18:53kalxas:ok, I take an action item to ask 4-5 projects to attend the next meeting
14:19:00jmckenna:yes, i'd like to ask local chapters to send representatives here
14:19:04kalxas:from those who did not provide an update during AGM
14:19:33jgarnett:action: Jody to see who could not make the AGM, and we can sort out contacting those projects on the board email list.
14:19:35jgarnett:Email was sent
14:19:40helena_:also ask them to provide a slide, so that our slide deck is complete
14:19:48kalxas:helena_, good point
14:19:52jmckenna:Helena did a great job chairing the AGM
14:19:59msmitherdc[m]:good idea
14:20:02maria:are we speaking about projects or local chapters or both?
14:20:11jgarnett:I also looked at committees, the committees that did not report ... may or may not be disbanded. It was hard for me to tell.
14:20:26jmckenna:maria: i think both are important to be represented
14:20:29kalxas:lets ask committees too
14:20:34jgarnett:maria we are speaking about our officers in the foundation
14:20:37jgarnett:(local chapters do not have officers)
14:21:10maria:ok, it was mentioned by jeff
14:21:12jmckenna:we may have to think outside the box, to get more representation
14:21:13jgarnett:all the active committes have reported; I asked the remaining ones and got back they were inactive.
14:21:18jmckenna:yes, it is important
14:21:42jmckenna:this morning i worked with the Sri Lanka chapter
14:21:55jgarnett:jmckenna: perhaps I shoudl provide context, it is difficult to balance your suggestions for more representation with the goals of asking our officers to report this year.
14:22:01delawen_:I think and specially after being so europe/na centered we should start getting representatives of each chapter to get more in contact with us
14:22:08jmckenna:i am sure they would be honoured to be asked to send a representative here to a meeting and provide feedback from local interests
14:22:26jgarnett:I would love to hear from local chapters, indeed it is the best part of the AGM.
14:22:36jmckenna:i hope working this morning with Sri Lanka chapter....3 reps..is good context
14:23:05jgarnett:for this specific action item we are trying to reestablish contact with our PSC committees, in part around budget, and in part to have a positive relationship to work from to address any issues raised in your report.
14:23:45jgarnett:jmckenna: as long as we are thinking outside the box, the website rollout sprint will be great chance to contact local chapters and update web pages and celebrate their activities.
14:23:45delawen_:PSC and if they are really useful is something I want to discuss... but not today
14:24:10jgarnett:no not today, we did not invite PSC members today.
14:24:22kalxas:ok, moving on
14:24:34jgarnett:action: Angelos to join the SAC meeting to report back progress on website.
14:24:38kalxas:I took an action item to ask officers to attend
14:24:45jmckenna:i am sorry if i am not up to speed on past action items. please proceed
14:24:59kalxas:ok, both me and jgarnett joined the SAC meeting
14:25:08kalxas:jmckenna, was there too as a SAC member
14:25:33kalxas:it looks like SAC has started doing meetings again (good news )
14:25:40jmckenna:kalxas: thank you
14:25:45kalxas:and the website action items are now in order
14:26:06maria:kalxas: thank you
14:26:10kalxas:SAC chair also was present in our F2F meeting in Boston
14:26:27kalxas:so to me SAC situation has improved a lot
14:26:43jgarnett:very much agreed
14:26:44kalxas:(on the governance side I mean)
14:26:57kalxas:because SAC is always doing much work
14:27:17jmckenna:i never saw problems with SAC, as we are just volunteers. ah, governance. sorry, i guess i missed previous board discussions on this
14:27:33jmckenna:yes most OSGeo committees have problems with governance. we call all help :)
14:27:43kalxas:jmckenna, we have asked all committees to hold meetings and report how they function
14:27:49jmckenna:ah, good
14:27:57jmckenna:good plan
14:28:03kalxas:SAC was the one with no meetings for years :)
14:28:04jgarnett:jmckenna: we had a communication hole open up around the website/rebranding schedule. Since it is a contract signed by our organization we needed to work through Alex (as SAC chair) to get the process unstuck.
14:28:14jmckenna:ah ok
14:28:24jmckenna:understood. good work all
14:28:30jgarnett:Alex attended a board meeting in person, and has really stepped up - you can see the results.
14:29:11kalxas:ok, I think we discussed all previous action items
14:29:24jgarnett:(and the SAC committee has supported this, it is not all Alex, we are thankful for our contirbutors)
14:29:25kalxas:next agenda item: Discussion about Officer positions (President, Vice-Presidents, Secretary)
14:30:08kalxas:the situation is as follows: Venka is currently the president but has not been re-elected
14:30:17kalxas:Helena is the VP and re-elected
14:30:28kalxas:and Jachym is the Secretary (not in the board)
14:30:47kalxas:bylaws permit that Officers can be outside of the board
14:30:59kalxas:but as the previous board discussed last year
14:31:09jmckenna:kalxas: was there 2 VPs? could we this year have an "executive Board" with 1 president and 2 VPs, to help share the load of work?
14:31:18msmitherdc[m]:I'm currently treasurer
14:31:20kalxas:we would prefer the President and Vice Presidents to be current board members
14:31:35kalxas:msmitherdc[m], sorry I did not mention, yes
14:31:43helena_:I talked to Jachym and he says that it is difficult to be secretary outside the board - we may need to address this
14:31:43delawen_:I think it makes sense to be board members and to have two VP
14:31:57helena_:2 VPs would be great
14:31:59kalxas:jmckenna, after the discussion with Dirk last year
14:32:01jgarnett:On paper (to match our by-laws) the president has the signing authority, and delegates to vice-president.
14:32:21kalxas:we did not assign a second VP
14:32:21maria:2 VPs would be great
14:32:27helena_:the idea was to have one for Americas and one for Europe and other parts of the world
14:32:30kalxas:I also agree with 2 VPs
14:32:39jmckenna:i think 2 VPs and 1 president really helps share the load
14:32:48msmitherdc[m]:agree
14:32:50jgarnett:The number 2 was not that important, what was important was splitting up the work/travel as I understand it.
14:32:53jmckenna:much respect for past board that implemented that
14:32:53vcraciunescu:me too
14:32:56delawen_:specially to have one VP on each side of the world
14:32:56kalxas:given current discussions in mailing list I had an idea but I am not sure you will all agree
14:33:19kalxas:in order to keep Asia represented, I had the idea to keep Venka as president
14:33:31kalxas:but I have not discussed it with him
14:33:33kalxas:not a motion
14:33:35kalxas:just a thought
14:33:58delawen_:if being secretary outside the board is difficult, I guess that being president is even more difficult
14:34:05jgarnett:that is creative, would need to check the bilaws
14:34:13jmckenna:kalxas: i also had the exact idea
14:34:15vcraciunescu:the bylaws allow this
14:34:26msmitherdc[m]:Nothing to take away from venka, but i don't like the idea that one has to be from a region, to represent the interests of that region
14:34:27kalxas:remember, Venka is still the President until we remove him
14:34:39delawen_:and I am not sure how it will look from outside, someone being the higher representative and not being on the board
14:34:43vcraciunescu:my main concern is how will be for the president to not be able to vote
14:34:44jgarnett:it could work, need presendent to sign paperwork. The only akward angle is if he is asked to explain decision making he was not party to.
14:34:49jmckenna:also, i have considered a dual presidency, of helena and venka
14:35:02jmckenna:i have much respect for both
14:35:13jmckenna:i thought on that all last night
14:35:17jmckenna:and that is what i came up with
14:35:25kalxas:I also think that Helena is a perfect candidate for President
14:35:36maria:Helena + 1
14:35:36jgarnett:we are spolit for choice, in osgeo I resepct everyone
14:35:50helena_:but I don't think I would be a good president, sorry
14:36:02delawen_:why not?
14:36:09delawen_:(if I can ask)
14:36:15jgarnett:I especially appricate Helena's friendliness and efficient communication; wish I had her knack for shorter emails.
14:36:20helena_:Maria, I wanted to nominate you for president - we need somebody who will go to Africa
14:36:21jmckenna:helena_: you do amazing work
14:36:25jmckenna:i look up to you
14:36:35jmckenna:and venka
14:37:13msmitherdc[m]:helena_: you would be an outstanding choice
14:37:17jmckenna:maria is which maria?
14:37:20jmckenna:sorry ha
14:37:27delawen_:I guess Maria is Maria B
14:37:36helena_:Maria Brovelli
14:37:37jmckenna:right
14:38:08jmckenna:i think africa can be shared by the executive board
14:38:13jgarnett:thinking - previously we sorted out officers at f2f meeting. Coudl we ask Helena to act in her capacity as vice-president until a f2f meeting?
14:38:15jmckenna:this is part of that role
14:38:16maria:Helena, I'm also vice chair of UN-GGIM Academic Network and I don't think I'm able to do everything
14:38:45msmitherdc[m]:f2f or video, jgarnett?
14:38:46vcraciunescu:f2f is perfect for many decisions
14:38:46helena_:yes, I can serve as VP
14:39:09jgarnett:just being prgamatic, as long as we have someone who can sign contracts we can function as an organization.
14:39:17vcraciunescu:f2f meeting in Amsterdam was very productive
14:39:18helena_:I agree that f2f is better for decisions where we don't have clear consesus
14:39:27jgarnett:We have not discussed f2f schedule, and it is not on our adgenda for today.
14:39:38delawen_:we can start with a video conference
14:39:43jgarnett:(I have some fun ideas, but want to respect our chair)
14:39:48maria:videoconference +1
14:39:52jmckenna:this is important for the community
14:39:56kalxas:yes, we can have a breakout video session for this
14:40:09kalxas:jgarnett, please go ahead
14:40:16helena_:video session sounds good
14:40:19jgarnett:yes it is, but so is completing this meeting,
14:40:20jmckenna:i am proud to be wearing my OSGeo/GDAL shirt for this meeting now ha
14:40:39jgarnett:kalxas: do you want to send us to the next agenda topic?
14:40:47kalxas:OSGeo-Live incubation application approved by incubation committee
14:40:52vcraciunescu:I’m still +1 for a f2f, meeting, not for president or this roles, but to work on different OSGeo issues :)
14:40:54jgarnett:and we could take an action to schedule a video meeting?
14:41:11jgarnett:vcraciunescu: would you like to take that as an action please?
14:41:13kalxas:ok, lets make an action to plan a f2f video meeting
14:41:15jmckenna:i think the world of f2f meetings
14:41:37jmckenna:in person i mean. they are special and important
14:41:41kalxas:preferably within Nov
14:41:46jmckenna:but video is ok :)
14:41:59kalxas:jmckenna, this will give us time to plan an actual f2f
14:42:00vcraciunescu:yes. I will do. maybe delawen_ can ask Jeroen if geocat can host one more meeting :)
14:42:08delawen_:I can ask, sure
14:42:10jmckenna:kalxas: agreed
14:42:17jgarnett:(let's take that to email, it was not added to the agenda, and kalxas has 15 mins left with us)
14:42:23vcraciunescu:ok
14:42:26kalxas:ok, moving to next item
14:42:31kalxas:OSGeo-Live incubation application approved by incubation committee
14:42:53kalxas:jgarnett, can you please report?
14:42:53jgarnett:incubation chair here, application was accepted - motion results were sent to the board list.
14:43:13jgarnett:The application had more discusion then usual since OSGeo Live already has status in our organization as an initiative
14:43:19jgarnett:(an outreach initaitive)
14:43:38jgarnett:the PSC wanted to go through incubation to be recorngized for their process
14:43:52kalxas:lets not forget that OSGeo-Live is also a software project and a packaging effort
14:44:03jgarnett:the applicatinon was in order, I volunteered as mentor for the PSC (should be the easiest team ever)
14:44:15jgarnett:so I would like to make a motion
14:44:36jgarnett:MOT1: Recognize OSGeo Live as entering the incubation process.
14:44:43kalxas:anyone to second?
14:44:50jmckenna:MOT! seconded
14:44:53jmckenna:MOT1
14:44:56vcraciunescu:MOT1 +1
14:45:02kalxas:MOT1: abstain as the OSGeo-Live PSC chair
14:45:04msmitherdc[m]:MOT1: +1
14:45:06helena_:MOT1:+1
14:45:07maria:MOT1 +1
14:45:17delawen_:MOT1 +1
14:45:28jgarnett:(for context the incubation committee does not have complete independence from the board, while it runs incubation on behalf of the organization - results are taken the the board for approval. Partially to protect our a$$sets because directors have libabity insurance)
14:45:50jgarnett:MOT1 +1 initial motion (chair of incubatino comimttee but do not see any conflict with supporting this motion)
14:46:14kalxas:MOT1 passed, moving to loomio/e-mail for confirmation
14:46:24jgarnett:kalxas: can you vote +0 then (altough I respect your decision I do not see any conflict with you acknowledging the work of the incubation comittee in reviewing and accepting this application)
14:46:45kalxas:MOT1: +0
14:46:59jgarnett:thanks, as scribe I will make the loomio motion, held open for 3 days.
14:47:14jgarnett:-done-
14:47:18kalxas:to acknowledge the committee work
14:47:23kalxas:next item: Website/reboot status update; feedback summary, providing access to community for management (call on community to organize sprints to fill in information, solve map issues)
14:48:09helena_:jody can you plese provide update where we are
14:48:12jgarnett:feedback survey, only 23 responses despite all the email. Vendor is going to write up a report for the board with that and the github issues.
14:48:36jgarnett:we identified some pages missed from the migration, they are being rounded up now.
14:49:11jgarnett:website maps re functional (to show integration) but look terrible - we were unable to gather community support to make them look better. We have nice cartography from gretchen if any teams are interested in standing up a web service.
14:49:38jgarnett:access to the community is in SACs hands, we would need an update from Alex to confirm progress. My impression is "soon".
14:49:50helena_:once the website is transferred to osgeo we will need somebody to manage it and set up access system for people, projects, committees to keep their info up to dat
14:50:00jgarnett:styleguide is almost complete, we are having some troubles staying on brand - see https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2011
14:50:02sigq:Title: #2011 (osgeo.org logo) – OSGeo (at trac.osgeo.org)
14:50:06jgarnett:-done-
14:50:16kalxas:helena_, first we need to connect it with LDAP
14:50:27kalxas:and SAC has a ticket for this
14:50:43kalxas:perhaps they will need to make this a part of a contract within their budget
14:50:51jgarnett:think we also need it on our hardware, the current "dev" site is on their hardware.
14:51:12msmitherdc[m]:isn't it going to be cloud hosted?
14:51:19jgarnett:I think they already sorted that out, got some cloud hosting.
14:51:28jgarnett:but this goes beyond my update above.
14:51:32msmitherdc[m]:SAC had me purchase a cloud host for this
14:51:35kalxas:thanks jgarnett for the update
14:51:37msmitherdc[m]:well, pay for the service
14:51:44helena_:OK, sounds good
14:51:52kalxas:msmitherdc[m], yes this is done
14:52:14kalxas:so I think this migration will be done soon
14:52:20delawen_:good!
14:52:34kalxas:8 mins left
14:52:42kalxas:next item: budget planning
14:52:53jgarnett:yay! informally I expect 2-3 weeks while community teams fill in their content; it should be quite lively. Would love to have this go live early decemeber.
14:53:13jgarnett:we sent requests out to PSC and Committee teams to consider next years budget
14:53:20jgarnett:so far I see them doing so (yay)
14:53:31jgarnett:but we have not started getting any budget requests yet
14:53:48kalxas:I would like to ask if a project can still spend 2017 budget
14:53:55jgarnett:we may need to form a small team, since the finacne committee is inactive, to help gather everything up onto a wiki page
14:54:03maria:did we send requests out to PSC and Committee teams to consider next years budget
14:54:06kalxas:and specifically for meeting that may happen early 2018
14:54:19jgarnett:goal would be to have a draft budget in novemebr for the board to approve in decemeber (ahead of 2018 calendar date)
14:54:45maria:sorry but as UN Committee I received nothing...
14:55:06maria:who sent the requests?
14:55:12jgarnett:kalxas: as long as a project is within its mandate, and motion approved by PSC, the project officer should be able to make arrangements with treasurer.
14:55:36jgarnett:maria it may of been lost on discuss
14:55:45kalxas:jgarnett, so it is the time of approval that counts
14:55:46jmckenna::D :(
14:55:48jmckenna:i hear that
14:55:49jgarnett:last year we had to split up contacting all the committees and project teams directly in order to get a response.
14:55:57delawen_:I think that's best
14:56:07delawen_:in the end, things on discuss get lost
14:56:14jgarnett:okay let's take an action to coordinate on email, and report back next meeting.
14:56:21kalxas:ok, Anita started the contacts I think
14:56:26jgarnett:(this budget thing is going to take 70% of our time as board members this month)
14:56:42jgarnett:(and if we do our job nobody will notice the work we do)
14:56:52kalxas:but yes, we need to make an action item for this
14:56:57vcraciunescu:i agree
14:57:25jgarnett:michael as treasurer could you take an action item to coordinate on email?
14:57:53jgarnett:(and you should probably make a motion to disband your finance committee as inactive)
14:58:11msmitherdc[m]:actually, I will be tied up this month doing osgeo taxes
14:58:25msmitherdc[m]:that I can do
14:58:32jgarnett:gak - sounds terrible. glad you are on it.
14:58:43kalxas:thanks msmitherdc[m], do we have another volunteer for this action?
14:59:07msmitherdc[m]:MOT 2: disband and reform finance committee
14:59:10jgarnett:do we have anyone else who would like to start coordinating on email, it will mostly be wiki pages, and dividing up who to contact so we can ensure everyone had a chance to ask for 2018 budget.
14:59:13delawen_:if you tell me what to do, I can do it, but I am a bit lost right now
14:59:31kalxas:MOT2: seconded
14:59:47jmckenna:trying to follow
14:59:47maria:MOT2: +1
14:59:49helena_:MOT2: +1
14:59:51jgarnett:okay delawen_ - we can take that as a joint action item; perhaps a hangout to get going.
14:59:59vcraciunescu:MOT2: +1
15:00:00delawen_:MOT2: +0
15:00:00jmckenna:hard when we missed past discussions. i am here though ha
15:00:04kalxas:delawen_, lets pick up this item together
15:00:17jgarnett:can I ask for a clarification about "reform", what did you have in mind?
15:00:33jmckenna:MOT2: +0 as i don't fully understand issue yet
15:00:37msmitherdc[m]:jgarnett: request for new members
15:00:38kalxas:I was involved in the budget wiki page last year too, so we can work on this together
15:00:45msmitherdc[m]:since its been inactive
15:00:47jgarnett:ah, so we will vote to disband.
15:00:59jgarnett:when you have volunteers you can ask the board for a committee again.
15:01:10jgarnett:MOT2: +1
15:01:13msmitherdc[m]:yes
15:01:19kalxas:MOT2: passed, moving to Loomio
15:01:28jgarnett:(the finance committee was not activie, so the board has covered for this biz function the last several years)
15:01:31kalxas:we are out of time:
15:01:37kalxas:one last thing to note today
15:01:44kalxas:Previous board meeting minutes were approved on loomio by previous board, so lets log that in today's minutes
15:01:52delawen_:when do we meet again?
15:01:53jgarnett:thanks, we will pick up remaining topics next meeting. But I ask we set the date for next meeting before closing.
15:02:01kalxas:jgarnett, we just need a link to the meeting approval
15:02:16jmckenna:yes please let us vote on motions and discuss on the board list, for the community to follow, and then just file the vote on loomio
15:02:21jgarnett:I will set that up as scribe, also MOT2 above.
15:02:32kalxas:thanks jgarnett
15:02:41kalxas:next meeting
15:02:53kalxas:how about in 2 weeks on Thursday?
15:03:02delawen_:on 16th I will be on the JIIDE conference
15:03:10delawen_:14-17 aprox
15:03:14jgarnett:I am in the air, flying to australia
15:03:18jmckenna:i would like to ask venka to attend next meeting
15:03:29delawen_:could it be 20th? monday
15:03:38jmckenna:as president
15:03:51kalxas:normally our next meeting would be first Thursday of Dec (7 Dec)
15:03:51vcraciunescu:should we better setup a doodle?
15:03:58kalxas:+1 to ask Venka to attend
15:04:01maria:20 not good with me
15:04:02delawen_:yes, better a doodle
15:04:15kalxas:ok, action item to setup a doodle
15:04:16delawen_:I can prepare it and send to the board list
15:04:17jgarnett:jmckenna: ask 1st, we can discuss on email list, put it on the adgena for next meeting
15:04:20kalxas:thanks delawen_
15:04:36delawen_:I still don't have access to any private stuff :)
15:04:44delawen_:should I add some ticket?
15:04:51jgarnett:whew, thanks for running meeting kalxas - sorry we were difficult and went over time
15:04:58kalxas:we also need to get all new members to board tools
15:05:07jmckenna:same, delawen all new members are in same boat
15:05:12vcraciunescu:my dropbox is also full :)
15:05:17jgarnett:delawen - I am not sure, do we ask SAC?
15:05:25kalxas:ok all, thanks for the meeting
15:05:31msmitherdc[m]:for email, i think it is sac
15:05:38msmitherdc[m]:I can add people to dropbox i think
15:05:38delawen_:thanks for chairing it
15:05:41maria:thanks and bye!
15:05:47helena_:thank you all
15:05:48kalxas:see you next time
15:05:53vcraciunescu:bye all!
15:06:11jgarnett:thinking about...
15:06:13jmckenna:thank you everyone! for volunteering your time to help OSGeo
15:06:30kalxas:I am wondering who is the admin for Loomio
15:06:35jgarnett:thanks jmckenna, and if you could look at #2011 above it would make the markeitng committee happy
15:06:42kalxas:about e-mails yes we need a SAC ticket
15:07:03jgarnett:wonder if it is anita
15:07:07jgarnett:1. dropbox - send account details to treasurer, or upgrade yourself and send expense to treasruer
15:07:32jgarnett:okay I have manage members ability for loomio
15:07:41msmitherdc[m]:should we hold off on that if we are considering alternatives to dropbox?
15:07:45jgarnett:so I can hang out here, sign up for an account and I can add you to the list.
15:07:55jgarnett:(this should be a priority since we need to vote and pass motions from todays meeting)
15:08:02kalxas:jgarnett, yes
15:08:22kalxas:and we need to know the e-mail address of new members to set them up I guess
15:08:22jgarnett:msmitherdc[m]: I do not think so, because directors need to see what we have on file now. When we have an alternative we will all migrate.
15:08:36msmitherdc[m]:ok
15:08:55jgarnett:(we should of dug down into this during the orientation meeting, easy to get distracted by suggestions)
15:09:34kalxas:I guess the CRO can provide the e-mails from their nominations
15:10:20jgarnett:Looks like I can send invites to Loomio if I have email.
15:11:06kalxas:right
15:11:29kalxas:vcraciunescu, can we get the e-mails that were used for election purposes?
15:11:50kalxas:so we can at least ask the new members which e-mail they want us to use :)
15:12:26vcraciunescu:the emails database is available on dropbox
15:12:38kalxas:oh, thanks!
15:12:52delawen_:and who can share that dropbox with me?
15:13:04delawen_:even if I can't add new stuff at least I will be able to see
15:14:32vcraciunescu:dropăbox/membership/charter-members.db
15:17:03msmitherdc[m]:delawen_: what account would you like to use for dropbox access?
15:17:17msmitherdc[m]:and should old board members still have read access or not?
15:17:48delawen_:delawen in gmail
15:17:58kalxas:msmitherdc[m], I guess we need to remove old members from Loomio and DropBox
15:18:15kalxas:and board-priv list
15:18:20delawen_:for security reasons, we should
15:18:29jgarnett:just updating loomio now
15:18:55jgarnett:and double checking with new members what email address they would like used
15:19:25msmitherdc[m]:delawen_: dropbox shares sent
15:19:35delawen_:works :) thanks
15:19:51jmckenna:jgarnett: my contact is jmckenna(at)gatewaygeomatics(dot)com
15:20:00jgarnett:thxs
15:20:07msmitherdc[m]:should we wait until next meeting to remove dropbox access?
15:20:21delawen_:we can vote that on next meeting
15:21:18kalxas:msmitherdc[m], we can actually make this a motion on the list and not have to wait for the meeting
15:21:31msmitherdc[m]:ok
15:21:40kalxas:motions can go directly to the board list for urgent matters
15:21:51kalxas:or loomio
15:21:55msmitherdc[m]:i don't know that its urgent though
15:24:15jgarnett:okay emails sent for loomio
15:25:06jgarnett:I am going to have to write up mins after work today; will focus on getting motions up once everyone has access.
15:28:59jmckenna:openssl version released minutes ago...
15:34:52* jmckenna back to Code-in work ha